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| I'm giving up on Portlands and HPs--looking at Bourbons now. Can you give me a quick review of the pluses and minuses of Louise Odier? I know she has some BS problems--how bad (thinking of Zone 6, Midwest)? I do usually spray some of my roses a couple times in the spring and a couple times in the fall. Would that cover Louise's BS problems? I know she gets rather large also--but the more I thought about that, the more I began to see possibilities in that. Thanks, Kate |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Tue, Sep 9, 14 at 4:08
| I'd say that Louise Odier has serious BS problems even in my dry climate but then I don't spray. Serious Swedish rose nurseries (not general garden centers) do not sell it or sell it with a warning. My plant is 20 years old and I shall keep it as long as possible in spite of its faults. I love the flowers and the height. My next door neighbor treats her two plants like floribundas and cut them down each spring and they seem to be healthier at a height of about 3-4 feet. Mine is 7 ft and has been unusually good this past very hot and dry summer. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 9, 14 at 11:39
| I think I have her. A neighbor gave me cuttings a couple January's ago. I had them in pots waiting to get big enough to plant and in this years beat the heat planting I put them in. Both are finally putting out new canes and are growing. They have skipped blooming but that is okay since they are busy. My conditions don't really count compared to yours and they are at the other end of the bed that has DdRohan. But they are a very happy green |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Tue, Sep 9, 14 at 15:12
| I come down mostly on the "pro" side of Louise Odier in my zone 5 Nebraska climate. She doesn't blackspot that much for me that I notice, but I have a high tolerance for that since I don't spray and she's woven in among other climbers and clematis on my fence anyway. She's not a tremendously tall rose, but the blooms are a nice shape in the spring. She's reliably hardy for me and if she does get some BS she shakes it off in plenty of time for the winter, even retaining most of her cane this last brutal winter. My least favorable comment is about rebloom - mixed in with other climbers it's a bit hard to tell, particularly in part sun conditions, but it doesn't rebloom all that frequently for me. Cynthia |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Wed, Sep 10, 14 at 5:43
| I can't comment about disease resistance or cold hardiness, but would like to say something about LO's ornamental qualities. In my no-water summer garden she's essentially once-blooming, but 'Louise Odier' has handsome hips, abundant, good-sized, oval, red-orange with persistant black sepals, that combine well with other fall color in the garden and are a worthy asset. This rose is a good, unfussy grower for me, just requiring that I prune out a few of the older canes each winter to encourage new growth. Of course, performance in my garden may not have much to say about performance in yours. LO comes very easily from cuttings. Melissa Oops, I meant "no summer water". |
This post was edited by melissa_thefarm on Wed, Sep 10, 14 at 12:29
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| LO needs a certain degree of tolerance of rattiness from its owner. It is not as bad as the Damask Crud you may have experienced, but in Spring all is forgiven. I do have LO placed in the BACK 40. FL IAGL |
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| I grew this rose for many years and had a love-hate relationship with it. When it was good, it was so very good! I should say that first of all, mine did start reblooming after it had been in the ground for a few years. There are some roses that take a while to mature into repeat blooming. This is one of them. Also I did not get much, if any, blackspot on Louise Odier. Being in a dry summer climate means we have low blackspot pressure. However it did get seasonal rust and powdery mildew. The powdery mildew was the more severe of the two problems. I don't like rust, but if it only shows up at the end of the season I can tolerate it. In the end despite exquisite smaller flowers with truly wonderful fragrance, I eventually removed it. The deciding factor was the constant cane dieback. It was a good thing that Louise Odier kept throwing out new canes, because each cane seemed to live no longer than six months to a year before it started yellowing and dying back to the ground. I just got tired of having to renew this plant completely every few months, and have it still only look good about a month or two out of the year. Without all the other problems I might have kept it longer, but who knows? I came close to digging it out almost every year before I actually did the deed. Frankly, keeping Louise Odier at its best simply wore me out. There are easier roses to grow. Rosefolly |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 10, 14 at 17:06
| This makes me wonder about my "Louise Odier". I had heard that this is not a class for SoCal and so many of you have no rebook. Or a poor plant. Mine is also not blooming but busy making canes so that is okay. I think they neighbors plant is on a 3 or 4th flush for this year wonder if this is just a happy version or if she got the name wrong |
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| After several years in the garden, mine had 3-4 flushes per year, so your neighbor may indeed have the right plant. |
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