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| It just occurred to me that I should ask if anybody would like for us to propagate something specific from the Sacramento Cemetery for next year's Open Garden plant sale on April 18. We are aiming to offer some roses that we haven't had on our list for a while. We try not to propagate roses that are readily commercially available on the west coast, so if Burling or Rogue Valley Roses offer it, we probably won't. So, if there's anything you'd like, let me know soon. No promises, of course. And no, we don't ship roses! |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 8:28
| I bet you will get a lot of requests. Mine is the Barfield White Climber. |
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- Posted by anitasacramento z9/14 CA (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 10:08
| Adding it to the list, Pamela! For any of you who aren't familiar with our garden and its roses, here is a link to our catalog - Anita |
Here is a link that might be useful: Historic Rose Garden Catalog
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| Anita -- Do a few Grandmother's Hats, and some Tina Marie, maybe??? There's never enough of the former, and no sources for the latter. Maman Cochet? Jeri See: Roseville Noisette -- |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 11:53
| I thought I would spend some quality time with your list and HMF and see but Lady Roberts seems to be hard to find as is Anna Oliver if that is Schmidts Buff Giant And one the I loved and had to order from ARE was Gen Schablikine. And maybe getting the word out that some of these older roses are more drought friendly than regular nursery offerings will help garden sales |
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| But there is a GREAT Lady Roberts in the cemetery -- and you're right, Kippy -- that IS one they should propagate. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 16:27
| I would second Anna Olivier - I get inquiries about it occasionally, and people can't find it. I love the pics of Lady Roberts, so I got one from the Cemetery last year. It is planted right next to one of my Anna Oliviers. However, it has just sat there. It grew maybe 2 new leaves and then just stopped, and now it is going backwards. I am frustrated, as all of my Anna Olivers are very vigorous, and I thought it was a sport of that rose. Jackie |
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| Duc de Cambridge, please! It hardly exists on the west coast, and seems to only be in commerce in North America for about a week a year. I rarely drive to Sacramento, but for that I'd make an exception. |
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- Posted by anitasacramento z9/14 CA (My Page) on Fri, Oct 10, 14 at 19:41
| We've stuck most of these roses - wish us luck! I didn't remember your request for Roseville Noisette, Jeri - and I meant to take Setzer Noisette - so will have to add them. Normally, this is as late in the year as we propagate for our April sale but we are being allowed to use the Cosumnes River College greenhouse with tented misting table and bottom heat. Some of the roses already have a half inch of root in just two weeks. Wow! We are going to write an article about what we've learned through this process, probably publishing it in the March 2015 newsletter. It's been very interesting. |
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| Well, Setzer is a good one, too -- because it's such a mannerly pillar climber. I've always thought it would look lovely to have Setzer flocked by informal hedges of Roseville -- Blooms so very similar -- habits so different. How about "Benny Lopez"? Jeri |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sat, Oct 11, 14 at 0:33
| I think you could also sell out Florence Bowers but guessing that is too young to propagate I love "Ladyfingers" I would buy that one Sounds like you have some nice ones started but I would love to hear about: Spring Street Peppermint I could probably keep you busy asking about the roses listed til the same so I will stop,...for now |
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- Posted by ArbutusOmnedo 10/24 (My Page) on Sat, Oct 11, 14 at 1:30
| My general wish list would be: Anna Olivier If I were to keep it to five, I'd pick Tina Marie, Mlle. Blanche Lafitte, Dawn Crest, Anna Olivier, and Old Town Novato. Jay |
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| Am I too late? Is it true you have a bush form of Aimée Vibert? I know somebody who wants that and I would buy it for him. Also: |
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| Good point about R. arkansana 'Peppermint' -- I've had it for years, and I love it. Anita, I'm thinking your Dawn Crest may be mature enough to provide cuttings? It's a wonderful wonderful rose. Jeri |
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I think you should also propagate Yesterday's Garden, the Moore hybrid Rugosa. In the SoCal climates, it flowers year round and has been completely disease free. It's a very good landscape plant. Being seed sterile here, you can dead head it with a hose. It isn't commercially available anywhere and it is worth preserving. From personal experience, it is EXTREMELY easy to root. Kim |
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- Posted by anitasacramento z9/14 CA (My Page) on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 19:39
| Thanks! I'll be adding a few more roses to our list, thanks to this. It's heartening to know that there are still old rose lovers dreaming of adding to their collections! Kippy has focused on some of our newer found roses. I thought she (and others) would enjoy knowing a bit about them - Jay, we are working on four of your top five already and I will look to see what else we can add. R minutifolia struggles to survive in our garden so that is not an option. I've seen it robust and lovely in San Diego. La Nymphe is a mildewy thing in our climate, alas. Jeri, we do have some Benny Lopez in the works. And Dawn Crest. And ffff (whoever you are!) we'll get some Duc de Cambridge started. It's one that suckers and we will dig some up. Kim, our Yesterday's Garden is not much of a rose. No fragrance and hangs onto its dead flowers forever, although they probably are easy to pick or blast off. Must be better in SoCal. Also, ours is in quite a bit of shade. In its favor, it stays fairly small and nicely shaped and is disease-free. I'll see about taking some cuttings of it, too, however. I'll keep looking at your suggestions. Thanks everybody for taking time to comment. Kippy, I was sorry that I didn't meet you at San Jose and hope to see you in Sacramento one of these days. Remember, the fact that we are trying to propagate it doesn't guarantee plants on the sales table! We'll let you know what we actually have before Open Garden on April 18, 2015. Anita |
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| Lijiang Road Climber' a Hybrid Gigantia that is bright pink and said to be well scented, Luxrosa |
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| 2.Ladyfingers hasn't bloomed for us yet and I don't know whether it's going to amount to much. Thin, wiry canes - once-bloomer. Jeri, what was the possible id of this? *** KIM??? Please remind us. 3.I wouldn't wish Spring Street Peppermint on anybody. Mildew and rampant growth, much like Dorothy Perkins. Great name, though. *** It is sad that the blooms on the mature plant in the cemetery didn't keep the bicolor characteristic that suggested the name. (But I will always think of the odd "hidden garden" that it came from, with a lilac by the door of a decrepit shack.) 4.I really like Alice Hamilton NOT but we've had trouble selling it. Gregg Lowery says that it seems like just another Old Blush to him. I think it's different and nicer than OB. DNA studies say that many of the pink Chinas (including Archduke Charles, which seems incredible to me) are sports of OB. The testing that has been done thus far shows no genetic variation between them, I understand. So perhaps both Gregg and I are right - it could be a sport of OB, but different characteristics. *** AH! I think it has many of the characteristics of Old Blush ... with one very significant difference: IT DOES NOT MILDEW! 6.Camptonville Cemetery Noisette doesn't get much attention from us - just another big basic white noisette. We should observe it more closely and compare it to others that we grow. Overall, I prefer Roseville Noisette because it stays small. *** I really love "Roseville Noisette" It's disease-free, can be grown in a very large container, is fragrant, blooms a lot. Its only flaw is one shared with most of those cluster-flowering Noisettes. It finishes ugly. You HAVE to deadhead. La Nymphe is a mildewy thing in our climate, alas. *** YEAH. And La Nymph was a miserable mildewy mess in my coastal garden, as well. Jeri, we do have some Benny Lopez in the works. And Dawn Crest. *** GOOD! |
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| 2.Ladyfingers hasn't bloomed for us yet and I don't know whether it's going to amount to much. Thin, wiry canes - once-bloomer. Jeri, what was the possible id of this? *** KIM??? Please remind us. So far, the best candidate for an identity for Lady Fingers is Manda's Triumph. This rose was commercially available in California when the plant is suspected of being planted at Empire Mine. It appears to be capable of rebloom in the right conditions or climate. It needs to be grown with MT for a better comparison, but nothing else even comes close. Anyone want to fund a DNA test? KIm |
Here is a link that might be useful: Manda's Triumph
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 13, 14 at 16:23
| I love Jeri's photos of Ladyfingers and would love to test Manda's Triumph side by side BUT No one in the USA lists Manda's Triumph. The later photos of Ladyfingers remind me of my Vintage mystery rose, who is rampantly taking over its corner of the world....now to see if it blooms in the spring. |
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| If you're interested in Lady Fingers cuttings, Kippy, I have access to them in about two weeks from someone I passed a plant of it on to. Kim |
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| Thank you, Anita. I honestly believe we're missing a chance with Yesterday's Garden. As you've experienced, it is clean, it flowers a lot and it remains tidy in its habit. It IS a Rugosa hybrid, so it has that interest, even for people who are more "educated" or selective in their rose selections. It definitely seems to be one which should be added to a garden, or even just a basic landscape for carefree color. It was very good in my old Newhall garden. My only negative about it was it wouldn't set seed nor was there any real pollen to work with. Otherwise, it did what it was supposed to do and was pretty doing it. Who wouldn't enjoy a rose you can deadhead with a hose or by shaking the plant with a stick? I'm glad you're going to propagate it. Thank you! Kim |
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| The charms of the soi disant 'Alice Hamilton' are many -- FWIW. She's completely disease-free here, blooms like mad, and grows vigorously. DISEASE FREE for this one means NO MILDEW -- which plagues 'Old Blush' in my garden. I don't care what it is, I love it. Jeri |
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- Posted by anitasacramento z9/14 CA (My Page) on Tue, Oct 14, 14 at 8:43
| Jeri, I hope that the cemetery's Alice Hamilton is in bloom when you visit. I want you to take a close look at it because I wonder if the plant that Jim Delahanty got from Ralph Moore under that name is the same as the one that you have, imported by Vintage from France. The Nabonnand group in France has said that the rose in commerce there is definitely not the original Alice Hamilton, but the thing that I'm wondering about is whether we have one imposter or two different ones. I'd also like for you to check our Jesse Hildreth to confirm that it is the same as yours. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Tue, Oct 14, 14 at 13:57
| Anita. I think we did meet in San Jose. But I got lost in the roses with my camera. I hope to make it this year, the garden weekend is the same weekend as my son and his wife's birthday weekend the past couple of years. But they are thinking of a trip to Hawaii so hopefully I can make it up I would love to get "Alice Hamilton Not" and "Buff Colored Tea" along with some of the others mentioned. Thank you for the information on all of those teas I had not heard or read about. |
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| Anita, I'll look forward to seeing your 'Alice Hamilton.' I have wondered for a while now -- whether there might not be two imposters. I'll say again tho -- This thing I have is a GREAT rose for my garden. I don't care what it is. It likes me! Jeri Oh, Jesse . . . I'll look again, but I'm pretty sure it's Jesse. |
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- Posted by priscilla_ca (My Page) on Sun, Oct 19, 14 at 2:24
| Hi, Speaking of Jesse, I would love to have one. I was going to San Jose in hopes of buying one after seeing Jeri's pics, but couldn't make it this year. Also: Niles Cochet Le Pactole I'm probably too late with a wish list, but just in case... Thanks! |
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| Priscilla -- The Cemetery probably won't have enough material to propagate Jesse Hildreth this coming spring. Niles Cochet, though, and Le Pactole, are great suggestions! Jeri |
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