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Sun, Oct 20, 13 at 2:48
| Oh my. I absolutely have to move Maman Cochet -- climbing. Ha! I have plans to take a huge root ball, so that part will be covered as well as it can. With my climate, some teas aren't hardy. Maman is, but I don't know how that works out as far as autumn or full dormancy? Is it better to wait until she's dormant? If it's OK to do it ASAP, I really need to. I have to get finger surgery soon and really need to be the main wrangler for the top part if that's a good plan at all. I will have to prune her, too. Maybe not, but the plan is to prune if we can. If fully dormant is best, I could probably do it with one bum finger. But you see the dilemmas, I'm sure :D Thanks for any help! |
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| I would suggest transplanting it when the time is correct for planting bare roots in your area. The weather should be best for successfully accomplishing it easiest. Kim |
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| Kim knows MUCH more than I do about roses,so he's probably right. But I myself have moved Teas a bit earlier than my actual bare-root season. Now, I'm in Tuscany, Italy; to define the climate in "zone"terms, I think it'd be classified as a zone 8. Meditteranean climate;hot, dry summers,etc, etc.But, for example, this very year,I've already moved my Baronne Henriette Snoy,back in September!!! Way too early for bare-roots, of course, but since we'd gotten a bit of decent rain (and luckily it has continued to be reasonably rainy here...)I went ahead and did it . Also moved Clementina Carbonieri (both are large, pretty well-established shrubs,btw) In the past I did this successfully with both Archiduc Joseph and Mme Berkeley,too. My motives were that 1) I wanted to re-vamp the soil drastically, and replace the shrubs with climbers as part of a garden revision scheme,so had to get the old plants moved in time to get the spots ready for the bare-roots and 2) my land is in a rather exposed, wild area, far from my house.I'm not a big fan of the whole "zone" stuff. I see that Teas are kind of wierd roses.In my climate to me it seems like roses go pretty dormant in the hot, dry late summer then pick up growing again when it cools down and starts to rain.Their winter dormancy period (i.e., dropping leaves) only happens at the end of December!!! but that is also when there is a risk of some true cold weather,which Teas don't like. So my reasoning was to move'em while they are still fairly dormant from summer (prune them back heavily, though NOT LIKE YOU WOULD AN HT and remove most/all of the leaves and any new growth ) , early enough in the season to give them time to bounce back a bit before the true cold weather starts.Since it seems to have worked with Mme B and Archiduc J,I did it again this year...So, I repeat, Kim is much more knowledgeable than I, but I did want to tell you my own experience. regards to all, bart |
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| You honestly CAN transplant a rose virtually any time of the year, IF you diligently attend to all of its requirements. I have an acquaintance in the mid California desert (Antelope Valley) who used to move her roses around any time of the year she wanted, and never lost one. It requires much more time and attention than doing it when the weather cooperates. It is tremendously easier to move any plant when Ma Nature slows its growth; reduces temperatures; light levels and provides rains to bathe the plant in water, reducing its rate of water transpiration and keeping it watered in well. I'm not surprised you've succeeded in moving them at other times. If you know what to watch for and provide the necessary resources and attention, it can work. That's going to require a bit more intuition and attention than many will be willing and able to provide. Kim |
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| yeah,Kim,but the fact is that in my climate,Nature slowws the growth down to nothing in summer (we never seem to get rain here in summer anymore,alas!),then (at least NORMALLY),in autumn.with the rain and lower temperatures,the roses start growing again,until the days are just too short.I basically didn't do anything special! On the other hand, I'm beginning to think that I just can't plant stuff out in spring ,or any later than,say, early March! Even though we got rain this spring, I still had pathetic non-success with potted plants bought from Barni (lost 2 wisterias,clematis Montana,probably will lose Blush Noisette, and Jasmina is just sitting there, so I don't know where that's headed; I'll try cutting it back drastically. But considering that you pay so much more for a potted plant, with the idea that it should have a head start...pathetic!) I probably should've fussed over THEM a lot more! and, so far, zero success with after-all-danger-of-frost- is -passed-direct-sow annuals.. |
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| As someone in the south I would recommend pruning and transplanting it ASAP. If you don't want to prune it strip the leaves. Transplant now though. |
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| As with anything, you have to adjust for extinuating circumstances and tweak the suggestions to fit your situation/conditions. That would fall under the "observation, intuition and attention" category. Kim |
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| As someone in the south I would recommend pruning and transplanting it ASAP. If you don't want to prune it strip the leaves. Transplant now though. |
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| For me, also in SoCal, my Teas and Chinas are really at their most-active through late winter and into spring. Summer heat makes them dormant-ish. Jeri |
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| Yes ma'am, more "dormant-ish", but my chances of successfully moving an established plant when temps are in the sixties (and often a bit below), with higher humidity and possible rains are extremely better than when the humidity is single digit, winds are gusty, sun high (and hot), temps are eighties and higher and the only "water" is what I can squeeze out of the hose. Again, balancing all factors to determine the best possibilities for your conditions. If you can keep them watered well enough, you CAN transplant any time of the year, but which is going to work best where you are? Kim |
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