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| Hello I new member. I see this board so long. I think It interest board which have many information. I request you about real name of this rose whom I wonder long time. This old garden rose I wonder about real name of this rose ps.because I can't use insectcide in my narrow garden Thank you very much other pic of this rose |
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| Looks like Cecile Brunner to me. |
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- Posted by cottonwood468 none (My Page) on Sun, Oct 5, 14 at 9:57
| Does it have maroon stamens? Let's see a photo of an open bloom. |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:15
| open bloom 1 |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:17
| open bloom 2 |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:18
| open bloom 3 |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:20
| open bloom 4 |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:23
| and last pic open bloom 5 do you know real name? thank you very much |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:33
| after open bloom it full bloom nearly wilt |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 2:43
| nearly wilt bloom another pic thank you very much I hope my pic fine enough to know real name of this rose. |
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| I would guess Cecile Brunner also. Kate |
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| Excellent photos! I agree that it looks like Cecile Brunner. How big are the blooms, and does the plant grow very large? |
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| I have some doubt about this being Cecile Brunner since this rose has a more "ragged" appearance. The buds especially have a fuller, less elegant appearance. It also doesn't look like my Marie Pavie, but I have no idea what it actually could be. Ingrid |
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| Just for comparison, here is a photo of some very happy blooms on 'Mlle. Cecile Brunner, Cl' -- in Northern California. This plant is pruned down to a bush, but is pretty gorgeous in springtime. Do look closely at the leaves, to see if they match. See the elliptical shape of the leaflets -- and the way the leaflets behind the terminal one sweep forward. Take a look at the stamens in the open blooms, to see if they seem to match your rose. Jeri |
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| The rose in the original post reminds me of 'Marie-Jeanne'. I can't say for sure that's what it is, but the foliage doesn't seem the same as that of 'Mme Cecile Brunner'. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Marie-Jeanne' at HelpMeFind
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| Yes, now I notice the un-named rose seems to have glossier foliage than my Cecile Brunners. I still would like to know the size of the blooms. |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 7, 14 at 3:20
| most size of bloom is 2-3.5cm (line pass circle of bloom) size of bloom of this rose bigger regular miniature rose slightly. but smaller my another rose floribunda valentine slightly. It rarely to size of bloom close my floribunda valentine. I wonder and confuse about of this rose's name because They call it Marie Pavie but I feel It not look like Marie Pavie There are only boss of old rose nursery only call It I reallly grateful for everyone's assistance leave of this rose it have some damage from insect |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 7, 14 at 3:24
| bush of this rose It height and width nearby floribunda valentine |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 7, 14 at 3:38
| rose bouquet It have numerous bloom normal is 3-4 blooms but sometime It have near 20 blooms at end of big rose branch It have sub rose branch which have 3-5 blooms many branch |
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| Nothingness, could you get a photo of a whole leaf, showing particularly the lower leaflets, and MOST particularly the stipule (the part I circled, in this photo). Jeri |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 9, 14 at 4:33
| I'm sorry for I late can you see? Jeri |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 9, 14 at 4:34
| pic2 |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 9, 14 at 4:35
| last pic |
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| Does anyone think this could be a Noisette? Or is it definitely a Polyantha? I'm still trying to figure these things out. Thanks, |
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| Virginia -- I don't think it's a Polyantha, because I see no telltale hints of multiflora showing up in the stipule. Those two backward-facing leaflets make me think there's some Tea in there. My mind is now drifting in the direction of the cluster-flowering Noisettes -- or maybe some Tea-Noisette that I don't grow. I'm not suggesting it's one of the two below, but maybe something of these types? Jeri |
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- Posted by nothingness (My Page) on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 4:16
| Thank you very much for your diligence Jeri I think this rose may be noisette too Last this rose seem not cecile brunner. but I still love it. I know that it hard to know real name of this rose. in present It oldish to be rare rose most rose gardener don't know this rose Thank you very much again Jeri and everyone |
This post was edited by nothingness on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 8:00
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| Looking at the HelpMeFind database, it looks like there may be more than one rose going by the name of 'Champney's Pink Cluster' (the first Noisette), but this rose looks like at least one of them. That rose dates to the early 1800's, and by 1844, Mr Buist wrote that it was "universally cultivated". Since your rose is pretty old, it seems that this could be a good possibility, but it's also possible that this is an old variety that is no longer in commerce. I thought at first that the flower looked like 'Princesse de Nassau', but your rose looks too pink, and the buds don't look long and slender enough... Whatever its name, it's very beautiful, and I'm glad you shared your photos of it. Best regards, |
Here is a link that might be useful: photo of 'Champney's Pink Cluster'
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- Posted by jill_perry z9 CA (My Page) on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 15:48
| I'm thinking China rather than tea-probably a mini. Jill |
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| As a parent? Or this rose itself? You make me wish we could see the plant. :-) Jeri |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 14, 14 at 6:09
| you come In the end Jeri Thank you very much Jeri for your assiatance you have so skillful really I think roseville noisette look like with my rose about 80%-90% And Virginia I glad to you like my rose |
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| One thing is -- there are many, many, many roses which are sports or seedlings of 'Champney's Pink Cluster.' It seems to have been a prolific parent, and all of those that I have grown were strong garden plants. If it doesn't have a name, you give it a study name. :-) |
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| Hi there Nothingness, what part of the world do you live in? Perhaps someone else who lives in the same county or shire bought the same rose and you might find them at a local rose society. Also, if you live in a cold climate, I believe your rose may possibly be less likely to be a China or Noisette, though it could be related to one of those classes. I've grown or cared for in a public garden, all the roses mentioned so far on this thread and am of the opinion that, your rose isn't any of those. Although the foliage and pedicals are quite different, the bloom shape and color makes me wonder if your rose is related to Mlle. Cecille Brunner' which has been in commerce since 1881, perhaps someone might do a search on helpmefind.com of roses bred from Cecille Brunner, or open pollinated seedlings of it. Anyhoo, I went to the vintagegardens.com website which is a very good reference, though the nursery is closed. I looked at all the photos available on Polyantha roses and didn't see your rose there. is your rose fragrant at all? I love your rose and sure hope you find out its name, I like the thought of a study name; I'd suggest 'Grace', Good luck and best wishes in your endeavor, |
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- Posted by nothingness none (My Page) on Wed, Oct 15, 14 at 2:12
| To Lux Thank you for your help I think this rose may be find real name but I still be answer information for you How old is your rosebush? -what is the largest it has ever been? which climate zone do you live in? is your rose fragrant at all? I not sure about scent but it moderate fragrance |
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