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| Adding a rose to the garden can almost be an impulse. "Oh, that's pretty" or "I need one more to fill the box" are sometimes all the thought it takes, though others of my roses were poured over and researched carefully. But the roses I remove require much more thought. I have given these roses my time, my care, my resources and a space in the landscape of my imagination as well as my garden. In short, I have invested in them. It's harder to take them out. Sometimes the decision is obvious. A rose may have a serious and persistent disease problem or a rose may fail to thrive after a generous waiting period, sometimes several years. In these situations the rose clearly is not happy growing here, and never will be. Once the decision is made, I am at peace removing these. It is the borderline cases that cause me to hem and haw. I'm going through that with 'Trier' right now. It is growing out on the back fence, valuable real estate for climbers, and it is just not living up to my vision for roses back there. I've been making pro and con lists. Pro: Con: I just looked up the description on HMF and they say that Trier is thornless, or nearly so. I wonder if I have scrambled tags with Aglaia, which I owned at one time as well? In either case, this rose is under evaluation. I may not actually decide for years. Or I may decide next month. Rosefolly |
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| Rosefolly, your garden should be a place that makes you as happy as you can possibly be. There are spectacular roses that could fill the spot of a rose that you're lukewarm about. If you could have a gorgeous rose there that blooms many times for you, would that make you happy and give your garden added beauty? If so, then I think you have your answer. Ingrid |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sat, Oct 5, 13 at 12:17
| Plants with a history are hard for me to touch as well. But these past couple of weeks, I just did it on a few. I took out a very old plum tree. We did not even know it was there for years it was so lost under a pile of dads stuff. Once we cleared the mess we decided to let the tree have some time to see what it was. It had a couple of years of wonderful fruit on a very old sick tree. But the more new healthy trees we put in, the more this sad tree stands out, and the more I fear it will spread disease around the orchard. So it along with a couple of other similarly sad trees left the garden. But planting something new is really healing for the soul. We have added 5 new fruit trees for the 5 I will remove (not in the same holes of course) There is something about the promise of a new healthy happy plant that helps with removing the one that is so very unhappy. |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sat, Oct 5, 13 at 12:20
| Trier is definitely a repeat bloomer here, and possibly the most chlorotic rose I own. The fluorescent chartreuse foliage was actually quite pretty in its own way, but I was happy when it responded to treatment, and turned a fairly normal green. It's not thornless, but also not notably nasty. I think the tags are scrambled. |
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| I share in your decision making process. My reason for removing roses was my age. A few years ago I removed climbers because they all required a ladder to tie them. I really love the substitute garden beds, and now will continue with down sizing my garden. In my case large is not as much of a problem as working on a hill, or having a rose use up space when I don't care for it. For what it's worth, i can think of few roses that I have discarded, and regretted the decision later. I am usually better off for removing them. Good luck, |
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| Trier repeat blooms for me and is somewhat thorny. However, I plan to remove it because I am not in love with it and as I have limited space, it's taking up a large amount of real estate. I plan on putting in Spray Cecile Brunner in it's place and surround it with Gallicas. I know that sounds odd but I've got a quirky garden. Diane |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Sun, Oct 6, 13 at 9:32
| Paula, Trier reblooms here. It's blooming now. Aglaia has a pale yellow cast. It blooms once in spring. If you can remember it's the rose on the next arch down from Leander in my garden. |
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- Posted by roseblush1 8a/Sunset 7 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 6, 13 at 11:04
| rosefolly, You may not have to give up on all of the marginal roses. Sometimes, just moving them to another site makes them become the rose you hoped it would be when you planted the rose. I found that out when I moved a couple of roses this year. That said, one of the things I have learned is that over the years, our taste in what we like to see in our roses changes and roses that we loved years ago, just don't sing to us any more. So, even if a rose is thriving, much less just kind of pottering along, there's no reason to keep it, if it doesn't sing to you any more. There is always someone who may want the rose for their garden and then you have space for a new rose. I think that is part of the adventure of growing roses. Of course, we all know our gardens are really a work-in-progress. Smiles, |
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- Posted by zeffyrose_pa6b7 6b7 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 6, 13 at 18:59
| I'm thinking of you ! Decisions are never easy for me but especially when it comes to removing a rose---- Having said that, if there are more cons than pros it is not making you happy so that should make the decision easier. Good Luck Florence |
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| I think Trier - or maybe Aglaia -- is on its way out. I even have a pretty good idea what I'll plant in its place. But for now I am busy with other things, so I think I'll put it off for a while. I enjoyed hearing other people's thought processes on the removing or keeping of a rose. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 7, 13 at 13:16
| Another way to go is cut it back by half and plant another next to it and let that rose intermingle so you get a pretty bouquet of two kinds. I saw this happen where the gardener was too old to attempt removal of the older rose and planted another he wanted more hoping it would overtake the less desirable poorly performing one. What he ended up with was better looking. Or just remove it and don't worry about it. I have this to face all the time. I get new roses to try. They are better roses and so one of the ones that isn't as good has to be sold at the yearly garage sale. Some of the ones that sold were wonderful roses in a neighbors yard. Why they didn't like it here I don't know. Roseblush is right, sometimes they just need a different place in the garden and they are happier. |
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| You're right about moving a rose and finding that it sometimes improves. Actually this rose is healthy enough. I just don't like it. Too thorny for an unspectacular once-bloomer. |
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| I am agonizing over removing the monster 'Sombreuil' over the front of the house. I have a persistent feeling that 'Cl Iceberg' would be much more appropriate. I've been mulling it over for a couple of years. The 'Sombreuil' is a great burglary preventer. It has engulfed the balcony; no one would ever dare try to climb up there, as they would die of blood loss. Iceberg would be better at keeping the entryway clean as Sombreuil with it's gazillion-tiny-petal flowers is a constant shedder of tiny petals that are all over almost all the time. Iceberg would not be such a monster to trim back, too. I continue to agonize. How much less painful it must be to rip out roses without a second thought! I wish I could do that. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Wed, Oct 9, 13 at 11:14
| Just don't like it is always a good reason to remove a rose unless its a shared garden and your sweetheart loves it. My old climber used to drop petals too. I thought it was romantic the way they would flutter down in the breeze like snowflakes. But I had to sweep the bricks everyday. That poor rose died of galls and silly me, I planted a MAC there which is going to get even larger. The other rose I liked for the falling petals was a climbing shot silk. The petals are shaped like hearts and looked pretty by themselves. |
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