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| I have very limited room to grow roses, and I would like to choose the most rewarding/easiest roses to grow for my location. I hear so many wonderful things about both Belinda's Dream and Duchesse de Brabant, I'd like to have both of them. But are they going to look to much alike, but not exactly alike, to have them side by side? I probably have room for 3 roses in a triangle or 4 roses in a diamond shape, so maybe I could separate them with something else, in which case I was thinking maybe of Maggie or Mrs. Dudley Cross (neither of which I've seen in real life). What do you think? |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 13:36
| BD and DdB are very different roses in style and growth habit. BD is a modern (1988) shrub rose, and DdB is an old tea rose. From the pictures I saw on HMF, BD makes a rounded, small to medium shrub with almost hybrid tea shaped blooms, which are all the same color and do not vary from a medium pink towards the blue end. Duchesse de Brabant gets MUCH bigger in warm climates - check out the pictures on HMF. Its growth habit is that of an old tea - all over the place until it matures into a rounded, but very large, bush. I have it in my garden and love it. The colors of its blooms vary from medium pink to a paler pink, to sometimes a much darker pink towards the yellow end. The blooms are the old elegant tea style - relaxed and frequently nodding. They are sometimes almost translucent in the sun and incredibly beautiful. So in my opinion they would not look good together. It is just a matter of personal preference which style you like better, but I would pick one and stick to it for the roses nearby. DdB looks great with Mrs. Dudley Cross, another, although smaller, old tea rose which is a light pink/yellow blend. Look up Maggie - the color is almost cerise, it is such a dark and bright pink. It is also an old tea, so it would look fine re growth habit, but I am not sure about the color. If you want to have Belinda's Dream, I would keep it away from the old teas - it is a much more formal shape - perhaps you could tuck it in somewhere where you have some sun and only room for one smaller rose. Just my thoughts - Jackie |
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| I don't think they would be a floral color clash, if that is your concern, but almost all of the Teas need a lot of room--something to keep in mind. BD does not have a vertical, modern growth habit like a standard HT. It is usually wider than tall. One parent is 'Jersey Beauty' which is an 1899 rambler, so it has some OGR "street cred", so to speak. |
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| Belinda's Dream at least in my garden doesn't have a wildly different growth habit from the tea planted next to it, Mrs. B. R. Cant, but I've found that my teas grow less large because of heat pressure, so there isn't such a contrast. Flower-wise they are different but I think they could be compatible if they are fairly alike size-wise in your garden. It's so much just a matter of taste. Ingrid |
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| I worry that they would look so similar that it is disconcerting that they are not the same. You know, like wearing the wrong two shades of blue that almost, but don't quite, match. I think that they are of a similar size here, but if they don't carry the same "visual mass" that might also be disconcerting. |
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| In my hot humid zone 8 no spray garden, Belinda's Dream grows to about 5' high by 6' feet wide so you can see that she is not a small "hybrid tea" type. Most teas including Mrs. Dudley Cross get quite large. The Buck rose Polonaise would go well- color and size wise-with Belinda's Dream. Both are favorites in my garden. |
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| Meslgh, in my DFW garden Belinda's Dream is not as large as the other three, but it's not a small rose at maturity. Too me, the Duchesse and Mrs Dudley have a delicate feel to them although they get large, whereas BD seems more exhuberant and stiff. I think Maggie would look good with any of the other three. Lou |
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| I would worry about the initial planting. Duchesse gets very large in my garden, and trimming makes it larger. I am not sure where I would plant Belinda to keep her from being swallowed by Duchesse. I end up crawling under these larger roses to get the large rocks I put around them when they are newly planted. Belinda's Dream does bloom almost constantly here, but is quite small (Tulsa, OK). It has its own beauty, but next to Duchesse it might be sort of a brain tease. Maggie is wonderful and is maybe twice the size of Belinda, and may look good. What about Belinda with Perle d Or? Sammy |
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| A 'Duchess de Brabant' with a border of purple verbena and' Little White Pet ' roses would be eye-catching and you could not do much better for constant bloom. Lux
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Sat, Oct 5, 13 at 11:15
| The Duchesse is a must have rose in my opinion. I've grown them both and love them both, but I don't think that the plant form of the Duchesse and Belinda's Dream go well together. I think the Duchesse and Mrs Dudley Cross are naturals together, if you have room for both of them ... they both get huge here. If you were going to try to squeeze in 3, Maggie is a fantastic rose; her blooms are special in form, color, and quantity and quality. Having said that, there's no denying that Belinda's Dream produces plentiful blooms that are ideal for cutting and putting in a vase. And of these roses, to my nose only the Duchesse can compare to, or even exceed, her delicious fruity fragrance. Randy |
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| Thanks so much to everybody for the advice; I've decided that I'd better not plant BD and DdB next to each other. The enthusiasm here for Duchesse swayed me strongly, but after going back to the Farmer's Branch demonstration garden, which has lots of both roses, I decided (somewhat to my surprise) that I prefer Belinda's Dream. |
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