Does anyone else have a similar rose they covet but for some reason do not have in their garden?

Ingrid

And of course, the original 'Francis Dubreuil'... :>)

Virginia

Ingrid

I'm already on record as being a 'Jesse Hildreth' fan, but I'm not going to say I can't have him, because that's sending the wrong message to the universe!

It's true that I can't have him YET, but that's true of most ro$e$... But when he eventually makes his way to an East Coast nursery, I'll be patiently waiting.

I have very little hope of ever obtaining 'Hugo' however. I stand as good a chance of winning the lottery as other people who don't play, so have no immediate plans to import him from "off"...

Virginia

Jeri said that her plant is small too so there is only so much propagation material

More me, there are a bunch of the ramblers I would like. I may try and shoe horn them in and several are not in commerce so I will have to beg cuttings

Double Xanthina. It arose here from seed brought from China and germinated in 1907. For some years, it was the standard form until the single replaced it. Now, it appears no one in the US has the fully double Xanthina, which leaves me to germinate seed brought back (legally) from China in hopes of there being a double seedling. We'll see.

I forgot Pink Mystery, which I had some years ago and spread around to anyone who would take some. It's the Hybrid Stellata mirifica from Louis Lens. He had the Lens Nursery send it to me, with quite a few others of his roses years ago as "thank yous" for garbage bags full of things I'd sent him with a friend who used to travel for the taxes on her tickets. It's a gorgeous, repeat flowering, healthy, wild-looking thing. I lost it, as has everyone else I shared it with. The Lens Nursery has it once again as do a number of European rose friends. But, importing is quite a bit too "rich" for my blood with today's huge fees. But, I STILL want it. Kim

For a rose that's great for my climate but unavailable, that would be Elisabeth's China. Rose Petals nursery has it in their catalog, and I put it on my wish list. So maybe someday.

I can't decide which is more frustrating.

I love the photos of the blooms of Hugo Roller, and tried a couple, but the blooms balled and burnt for me. And JH looks amazing. R de R did poorly here too, as did other Portlands I tried.

Pale ghostly roses, of immense size, will always do it for me.

White Jacques Cartier is only in Europe and I would looooove to get my hands on one of those.

Elisa Boelle isn't available now that Vintage is closed. She's quite the beauty.

I can't grow most once bloomers in this climate even though they're available. Madame Hardy will be among the first in my garden if I ever end up somewhere it can grow. Blairii No. 2 and Crested Moss are others I would quickly acquire in a suitable climate.

Jay

Jay; I had noticed David Austin offered Jaques Cartier earlier this year. Well, apparently maybe not available from there again until 2015, at this point in time, anyways.

Time will tell.

Jay

I have the double xanthina and if I could I would gladly send it to Kim. I've had only one flower from it since 2008 and I am sure it would do better in California.

I have to add that sometimes the wanting and the hunt is more fun than the having. I saw a photo of Summer Fashion once and fell in love with it. I searched for years to find it and snapped it up the moment I found it. It's been an absolute dog in my garden. It doesn't grow, doesn't bloom and is always diseased. I don't know how the thing manages to survive every winter. The craving was more satisfying in the long run...

Kim, I noted when I was out dumping dishwater that Jesse Hildreth is building up for another flush of bloom ... and that he is now definitely going UP, rather than sideways.

So -- when you have budwood ready, would you like to come up and take some cuttings for budwood?

And, speaking of budwood -- is all well with the stuff you budded from my raid on the SJHRG? I'm hoping it was in good condition.

Jeri

Ingrid

Rosefolly

I'm hoping I can get Elisabeth's China someday through Rose Petals or maybe through Burling if she should ever carry it.

By the way, I just came across your post about ebooks at the Reader's Paradise forum. I had recently read that article on the print book/ebook debate and was looking for more info. It's a very interesting topic.

I do have Jacques Cartier and was amazed at its loveliness last summer when it repeated. The foliage was so beautiful. Somehow I was expecting nothing special. I am so glad there are public gardens.

Ingrid, it sounds like 'JH' could be in your not-too-far-off future. It's unlikely that 'Hugo Roller' will be headed Stateside anytime soon, but it seems he'd probably do far better in your dry climate than he would in the Land of Steambath Summers... sigh...

BTW, I see no listing at HMF of Elizabeth's (or Elisabeth's) China. I'm guessing it's a found rose? Anyone got pix? I do like me some China roses...

Virginia

Jay

Below you can see blooms, and the plant itself as it grows on the grave of Elisabeth Stober (b. Germany, d. Sacramento, CA, age 87, age 1881).

It isn't in commerce, and the way things are, these days, it's unlikely that it ever will be. But I do purely love "Elisabeth's China."

Fortunately, many plants have been propagated and sold at Open Garden sales.

Jeri

We propagated a lot of Elisabeth's Red China a couple of years ago and are not planning to do any this year. We are focusing on Ferndale Red China instead. We've stuck a lot of cuttings, not only at our volunteers' houses but also at a college greenhouse. I'm hopeful that we'll have some things at the next Open Garden that we rarely offer!
Anita

I like the idea of trading, but since everything I have is readily available for purchase somewhere, I don't feel like I have anything that would tempt someone to go through the trouble.

So I'm also always willing to buy something for someone at a favorite nursery and have it shipped to them instead. The nursery makes a sale, and everyone's happy.

The trading topic has been brought up before, though, and there's always the problems of sending plant material between states and countries. The laws can be strict and complicated, often for good reasons.

Anything else you can mention that will help people get their travel plans in order?

A wimp unless grafted, foliage is prone to black spot, and not hardy in my zone, but boy-oh-boy are those blooms lovely! Runner up would be Marechal Niel.

I'm very happy that one of the roses I successfully rooted this summer turns out to be one of those red Chinas: I'm pretty sure it's 'White Pearl in Red Dragon's Mouth'- it has a mild-to-moderate (but very pleasing) fragrance.

Since it sounds like 'Elisabeth's China' isn't coming soon to a nursery near me, I'll just have to takea lttle extra enjoyment from 'WPIRDM' to compensate.

Virginia

Most any rose can survive here, and if they're mildew resistant, and don't demand cold winters, they even look good. But only if I can get them.

Jeri

:-)

~Christopher

There's nothing more romantically fantastic than the notion of large, established shrubs/climbers on a wall covered in cheery, blowsy flowers. Blooms of luscious, blended sherbet colours nodding demurely on a sultry summer's day.
Hybrid teas produce such lovely blooms, but the plants' habits generally leave much to new desired. I certainly do not care for oversized blooms standing straight up on a stick. Such indecency! It's why I love my potted 'Mirandy'- highly scented blooms ranging from deepest, purest crimson red through magenta pink to even deep purple depending upon conditions that have modesty enough to gracefully nod on their pedicels as they mature. My plant is budded and more vigorous than I had anticipated for a 1940's vintage hybrid tea. I may need that whiskey barrel after all! :) I've not sprayed it, and have only seen a very minor spackling of powdery mildew this autumn.
Alas, for I am so far north. I am quite thankful for the moderation and extra precipitation the Great Lakes bring. Perhaps one day I'll try one of these charming orientals in a pot!

Steven

There are a list of roses as long as my arm that I want, but can't have, as they're not in Australia. Jesse Hildreth is up there at the top :)

Ingrid

Gloire de Dijon is one that I truly desire to grow, but tried, and she died. Her blooms are beyond exquisite.

Gloire de Dijon is one that I truly desire to grow, but tried, and she died. Her blooms are beyond exquisite.

I don't know why I thought you were one of the California gardeners, but I did.

As to roses I would like to have but can't:

I love many of the once blooming European OGRs, and the truth is, I have planted a number of them over the years. Sad to say, they simply don't do well for me. Probably it is because we don't get enough winter chill. In any case, I can have them, I just can't keep them! They decline into misery. I still have a few, but I won't replace any more in this garden.

And I'm not going to replace any more blueberries, either.

Rosefolly

Trish.

This is perhaps the iconic American HT family, and I dearly want to grow it. Maybe grafted, maybe in a pot, brought in over winter, but then I have not had much luck with overwintering in pots. Hope lives on in the face of all discouragement, not to mention climate reality.

I looked at some of the roses you desire. Stunning! Have you considered getting some of them as cut flowers and trying to root them as cuttings? I would guess that if David Austen does not offer them as bushes, they are not good garden flowers but it must be possible to grow them or he would not have them to sell as cut flowers.

Cath

Just noticed that Charity is available at Heirloom in their 20% off David Austen sale. See the link in that post.

Cath

Sherry

As for unobtainable roses, many of mine are the garish modern weirdo roses, like the haunting lavender striped Stranger that Beth keeps tempting us with, or Simsalabim or Gypsy Curioso, or Camille Pisarro that's the Delbard painter series no one seems to sell anymore. I realize I'd have to root these from florist roses, and since they'd be unlikely to survive my zone it's hard to work up enough gumption to track them down.

Among the OGRs, I yearn for the truly dark roses like Black Prince (an HP), or Deuil de Paul Fontaine that seems to be on the lists for several folks but isn't available. I am also pathetically wistful for "the one that got away", my dear Bella Renaissance. Not an OGR, but an honorary one with big fluffy Austin-like blooms, and absolutely covered from June to frost. Unfortunately, she pined away and died in the drought two years ago, and Pickering no longer carries the Poulsen line of Renaissance and I can't seem to talk anyone else into carrying them. Oh well, rose growing is partly about the quest anyway, while we enjoy the roses we DO have.

Cynthia

I did think of ordering some of the cut roses to see if I could grow them. Still considering it too. My success with that is so-so depending on the rose. Brother Cadfael is so easy to grow on his own root. I probably have 10 plants of him from just sticking a cut cane in the ground. Others I have tried (Austins) haven't done so well. That Edith one sure has me hooked.....

The closest-looking thing I can find available is 'Pompon Veranda' from RU.

So far, they are doing OK. They still are small (less than 2 feet tall and less than a foot wide) but I think they will do better their second year in the ground. That said, they handle the heat well and have interesting color variations on the flowers depending on how long they have been on the plant. I get lots of compliments on them.

If they were bigger, I would send you cuttings. I have had very good luck with cuttings from Ralph Moore roses. Lavendar Crystal is one of my favorites. Just stick a cane in the ground and it will grow. Love that rose. It is a beauty.

Cath

I had it in Austin, TX and it did so well in the hot, dry climate and alkaline soils. It perfumed the whole yard.
And now I live in Houston, aka 'nature's sauna'. It's hot and humid and the soil's acidic. I had to fight Blackspot on it in Austin--I don't have the heart to kill it here.

In answer to the question of why I can't grow albas -- my garden is very tiny. I actually, do grow Felicité Parmentier, a very beautiful smaller alba, but I don't have room for the bigger ones, which is what I was thinking of. In fact, I don't really have room for any more roses, unless I get rid of some, which is always possible.

Michaela

Trish.