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| My parents retired to southeast Pennsylvania, zone 7, where they have a bit of acreage. I send my mother all the plants I can't grow here but really want to. I want to send her a nice purple gallica and I was curious which is the "best". Thanks, Evenie |
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 10, 13 at 13:52
| For me the best is Charles deMills followed by Tuscany Supberb. The purple is so rich and velvety. They will enjoy whatever Gallica you choose. |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Thu, Oct 10, 13 at 14:06
| I don't know about best, but my favourites are two very different purple gallicas, greyish purple and very double Cosimo Ridolfi and the semidouble velvety purple La belle sultane (Violacea). I have trouble photographing reddish colours but I think Violacea is more purple than red in reality, at least in my garden. I link to one photo on HMF, the only one that looks like my Cosimo Ridolfi. All other pictures show too much pink. Belle de Crécy is another good purple gallica but I hesitate to recommend it because it suckers wildly although it's grafted. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Cosimo Ridolfi (truest colour)
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| If you want purple, get 'Cardinal de Richelieu'. :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by mariannese 5b (My Page) on Thu, Oct 10, 13 at 14:16
| I realized after reading Jeannie's comment that I may have misunderstood what the colour purple is to an American. I am not a native speaker of English and to me purple leans towards violet, not red. Charles de Mills and Tuscany are both dark red to me. Please disregard my earlier comment! |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Thu, Oct 10, 13 at 15:44
| You'll have to define what *you* mean by 'best'. The most purple? The most disease resistant? The most able to cover territory? The most able to stay home? The tallest? The shortest? |
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| I love my D'aguesseau. |
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Fri, Oct 11, 13 at 6:37
| Lynette that is one stunning rose. I must add it to my wish list. |
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| Mad Gallica, I really just want to know what your personal favorite is, for whatever reason you love it. I've never actually seen a gallica in real life, and I'm not particularly picky about roses anyway. The only things I just hate are sickly roses with one or two canes and no leaves, or the button roses that most teas get here. The rose is going to a place with an easy climate and lots of space. It can sucker all it wants, but if it doesn't, that's ok too. It can be tall or short, single or double. Mostly I just want a nice dark one because that's a color we just can't get in New Orleans. I mail my mom citrus when it comes in and she mails back peony flowers and rhubarb. I want her to send me a bunch of nice dark purple gallica roses. I know it's a horrible waste of time and fuel to mail a bunch of roses across the country, but there are just some things I have to have in this lifetime. Lynette, your D'aguesseau is amazing. I've been eyeing Cardinal de Richelieu on RVR as well. Shame on me, I'll just have to get more than one. Evenie |
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| 'Charles de Mills' is gorgeous and easy to grow. I love it. |
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- Posted by harborrose 8b-PNW (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 14:39
| Evenie, I had never seen a gallica either until I moved here to the Seattle area. I have planted a number and think they are wonderful roses. I understand from reading postings here that some gallicas on the east side of the US will get blackspot, but I think that's dependent on the area. Others might have more information about that because they live there. First, I don't grow 'Cardinal de Richelieu' but I saw it this spring in the rose gardens at Old City Cemetery in Sacramento and thought you might like to see the pictures I took. It is one I'm thinking about getting.
I grow 'Belle de Crecy' and it is also a great rose, but as Mariannese said, it suckers. If your mom has a larger area to grow roses, she might love this one. I love the variability of coloring on the blooms. 'Charles de Mills' is also very beautiful and very healthy. I grow a number of others - 'Hippolyte', 'Belle sans Flatterie' (pink) - 'Rosa Mundi' (red and white striped) 'Tuscany' (dark wine red) - they are all great, I think. Others are really young and haven't bloomed. 'Duchesse d'Angouleme'/'Wax Rose' bloomed last spring and is another beautiful pink. 'Belle de Crecy' - I think you and your mom have a great plant exchange going, and I bet she will love whatever you send her. If you want to order now, High Country Roses is having a sale on their roses, including gallicas. Btw, have you found www.helpmefind.com? It is a rose data base and you can find a lot more pictures and information about many roses. Here's a link to information on 'Charles de Mills'. You can find info on most roses there and where to purchase them, pictures, where others grow them. If you know about it, please excuse me! Gean |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Charles de Mills' on helpmefind
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 15:21
| This has to be the first time I've heard the Blackspot Capital of the World described as an 'easy climate'. It is an easy climate for a lot of things, just not necessarily roses. Fortunately, most gallicas do reasonably well against blackspot. Of the deep purple gallicas, the Velvet roses, my favorite is one I've never grown, or even seen a plant of - Alice Vena. It has large flowers for the class, of a gorgeous deep red-black-purple, on a reportedly smallish, well behaved shrub. Second would be Hippolyte, a similar, though smaller flower on a more typical gallica plant. The real travellers like Charles de Mills and La Belle Sultane generally are grown by planting them as stand alone shrubs in the middle of lawn. Suckers growing out of the approved area are mown down as a matter of course. It does create a somewhat strangely designed garden to have these objects scattered around, but the alternative is a lot of work. |
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- Posted by harborrose 8b-PNW (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 15:43
| Mad gallica, Does planting gallicas on rootstock inhibit the suckering habit any at all? |
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| I planted mine with the graft exposed just above grade. So far, no suckers. |
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| I haven't really noticed any blackspot problems in my mom's yard. It might be the the roses she has now aren't susceptible, but it's dry in her little area, at least by my standards. The neighbors grow a lot of corn. I suppose "easy" is relative, but it's seldom hot, it rarely snows, it's cold enough to grow peonies but her lilacs aren't too great. She never has to take a kayak to work or ration her water. There are no tornados, no wildfires, and up until very recently, no hurricanes. Her neighbors heckle her that she brought the hurricanes with her when she left Louisiana. Sometimes I think they are serious. =/ Evenie |
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'Charles de Mills'; exquisite, refined, always beautiful:  |
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| Charles de Mills is Charles de MILDEW here on the Pacific coast. It got shovel pruned very quickly. What a mess. Diane |
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| "Charles de Mills is Charles de MILDEW here on the Pacific coast." Of course, it depends on what part of the west coast; further north, 'Charled de Mills' is not nearly as much of a problem compared to 'Rosa Mundi' and 'Apothecary's Rose', which mildew quite readily. |
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| I like several gallicas. Tuscany Superb is my favorite, but I also like Charles de Mills and La Belle Sultane quite a bit. The stripes of Rosa Mundi are gorgeous. The only truly purple gallica that I have personally seen (and I certainly have not seen them all) is Cardinal de Richelieu. I am in the process of replacing several of my own-root gallicas with grafted gallicas to combat the problem of suckering. I'm not okay with exuberant suckering in my garden, not by any kind of plant. I disliked it just as much with artemisias and yarrows as I do with roses. Rosefolly |
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| Thanks for all the recommendations. Now I just need to talk my husband into giving me the credit card for the third time in two weeks to buy roses. =D Evenie |
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