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Wed, Oct 22, 14 at 13:45
| Well, rose-planting time is appraoaching fast "qui in Italia" and as usual, I'm puzzling over placement.Clearly, one wants to put a taller rose in back of a shorter one, right? So, one goes onto HMF to find out how tall a given rose gets, and winds up more perplexed than ever! Example: I have an Excellenz Von Scubert planted sort of "behind" a Blue Jay delphinium. I'm hoping that ExVS will become tall enough to be seen "over" the bushy green of the delphinium. To hide this latter, I put Louis Bleriot at B.Jay's feet; Louis B is supposed to grow from 40 to 90 cms high. Now, what else to add? I have Purple Eden in a pot; that could go well, thinks I , only to find that PE gets from 60 to 80 cms high.So, IF LB reaches the 90 cms, then PE would be fine placed slightly "in front" But what if LB refuses to get over 40 cms, and PE goes up to 80? Now, please understand, I've been growing roses for more than 15 years, and believe me, I have moved far many more than I'd like to admit, so if it was just the one case... but it isn't. What if I wanted to through Eugene de Beauharnais into the mix (also in a pot and should go out)? THAT one supposedly can get from 60 to 120 cms high,so where do I put THAT? and how do I regulate myself with Cornelia (150 to 305 by 150 to 185?) Cardinal Hume is worse: 75 to 185 by 90 to 245 cms! I'd be delighted to hear how some of you guys regulate yourselves with this stuff. I'm kind of anti-pruning; it's sort of emotional as well as practical; I like to let a plant get as big as it wants, whenever possible...thanks for yopur thoughts, bart |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Wed, Oct 22, 14 at 15:36
| Since you live and garden in a warm climate, I can tell you that the odds of the heights on HMF or ANY rose advice you might get from any database are WRONG. In warm climates, most roses get way taller than they say. In my garden, they get twice or even three times as large. The only thing to do is to get advice from someone who gardens near you, or in a similar climate who grows the rose you are interested in. Don't just ask about height, ask about width and depth - I have some tea roses in my garden which get 8 ft high, and 7 ft wide and deep. The books (mostly from England, of course), and databases will tell you they only get 3-4 ft. Jackie |
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| One other thing to keep in mind with regard to height is the associated habit of the rose. In other words, a rose which grows rather lax and spreading may have a tall "height" listed on HMF for when it is (usually or often) grown as a climber. Another is that roses which are more accepting of harder pruning can be kept a bit shorter than their stated maximum heights if you find they grow taller than desired for where they are planted. :-) ~Christopher |
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| This is a question that has plagued me for years. No matter how much research I do it seems like the one I plant to the back turns out to be a shorty and the one I planted up front becomes a bean stalk! I almost always end up rearranging them at a later date after I see how they're going to grow. |
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| Visit old gardens and cemetaries that have roses. Living in Italy as you do, you may find gardens associated with old homes and villas open to the public that have older specimens. What a wonderful excuse to visit gardens and old homes! Cath |
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| One thing I've noticed is that roses very often will grow much larger where there is more rain and also more humidity. My roses pretty well stopped growing during the drought period and even my tea roses are stunted compared to what is seen in the humid and rainy South, for instance. Heat is not the only deciding element; rain and humidity can have just as great an influence in how large roses grow. Ingrid |
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- Posted by muscovyduckling Melbourne, Australia (My Page) on Thu, Oct 23, 14 at 8:07
| I struggled with this too Bart. I tried to guesstimate as best I could, but I'm just going to get friendly with my shovel and move things around if they don't work. |
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| I'm with Seil. You almost just have to plop and pray that it fits, because you really never know. FWIW, I try to search mentions of particular roses on here to get a better idea of what "might" happen. |
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