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| In a warm climate, how large can one expect this roes bush to become? I am Trying to determine the proper planting space for it? Thank you, Lynn |
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| Here, where there is no winter chill, VdB was on its way to becoming IMMENSE -- but in three years, it did not bloom. Not once. You, however, have a winter chill, so it might do better for you. Jeri |
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| One thing about V. di Bologna: it gets terrible blackspot, although I doubt that would ever be an issue in your climate. It also has very poor re-bloom, which probably WOULD be an issue in your hot climate. The flowers are really lovely, but it's NOT a great example of the "old roses are healthier and more disease resistant" school of thought... |
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| If you are into blackspot, then bologna is the rose for you. Very unique coloured rose, strong fragrance, nice shaped blooms....if only it didn't get BS so badly. It grew to about 6 feet in my garden until a friend admired it and now it rests in her garden. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Tue, Oct 1, 13 at 20:59
| Hi, I believe that the arid climate here has kept my current roses from getting blackspot or other fungal diseases, but I had hoped that VdB would not become an enormous shrub. I have room for height up to about 8', and about 4' around, but I definitely want it to have a good re-bloom. I wonder where this rose thrives as I can gift it to someone? My in-laws reside in Ventura County where I fear it will be too moist for this rose to remain disease free. I am thinking of placing Reine des Violettes in the space instead. Thank you for the input and photos. |
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| It is my understanding that it is not remontant. Jeri |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Tue, Oct 1, 13 at 21:25
| Jeri, In regards to being remontant, were your referring to Reine des Violettes or VdB? Lynn |
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| 'Variegata di Bologna' is not a repeat bloomer, no matter how or where you grow it. If you do get an occasional bloom in the Fall, you can consider yourself very lucky indeed. Pretty flower, big sprawling shrub, terrible Blackspot affliction. |
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| Variegata. I think it is not remontant., RdV, OTOH, will bloom heavily in the spring, rest through summer, and have a lesser Fall flush. At least, that was our experience of it. I like better the Found Rose, "Forest Ranch Pom-Pom," which is equally purple/lavender in my cool climate, (NOTE: COOL CLIMATE!!) but does not have chlorosis problems in my garden. Jeri |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 0:02
| Wow! What a beauty. How large is your Forest Ranch Pom Pom and what are the thorns like? Lynn |
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| VdB does not blackspot for me in the Sacramento area. Mine is still in a 5 gal pot, rooted into the ground now since it was never planted. Makes a big arching shrub. Doesn't rebloom. |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 12:26
| I don't think I had a more unhappy rose than Reine de Violettes in my climate and soil. It stuck around for a year or so but finally died and I think was happy to go to rose heaven rather than live here. I would not recommend it for desert climates, however, if someone has had a different experience, would love to hear about it. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 13:48
| Jaspermplants, I have read that it is shade tolerant and a heavy feeder. I have two in pots that are thriving, and planned to work on the soil where they will be planted in preparation for planting during early to mid -March. They will also be in a partially shaded area. Was RdV in full sun and how was it fed? I know that in AZ you get significantly more heat than I do here and we get a little winter chill. I wonder if that will make a difference? I have to say that I try to make the most informed decisions that I can regarding purchasing, cultivation and placement of roses. Digging those blasted holes is laborious, amendments and re-purchasing roses can become costly. I have this vision in my head I would like to create, but ultimately, the roses need to be happy here. Thank you for your input on RdV. I am really disappointed about VdB, as it is described as a re-blooming rose. I often give more validity to the comments from actual gardeners and experts on this forum who garden in areas having issues I can identify with than some if the resources available, especially when the comments from people all over are consistent, that speaks volumes. . |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 15:27
| Reine de Violettes was not in full sun; pretty much a dappled sun situation. My soil has been heavily amended with compost and mulch over several years so is pretty fertile. My thinking is the rose did not like our alkaline water. I don't fertilize heavily, probably got compost and organic rose food of some sort. I am a rose "experimenter" so I'd say, if you want to try it, give it a try! I'd be very interested to hear how it does. If you're successful with this rose, let us know; I'd love to learn more about how to grow it successfully in a hot desert climate. |
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| Even in the literature I've never heard VdB described as a reblooming rose, which is not to say you might not have a few blooms here or there out of season, but it's not something I'd count on. Ingrid |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Wed, Oct 2, 13 at 22:01
| "Occasional repeat later in the season", this is what HMF has listed on their website as a description for the re-bloom. This rose in terms of re-bloom is definitely not what I wanted. I read so many rose profiles and must have over-looked this description..... I guess rose search/planning overload. |
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