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Posted by
boncrow66 Zone 8 SE TX (
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Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 14:19
| I feel like I'm going in circles trying to choose a rose for a specific spot. I want it to be a prolific bloomer with a strong fragrance and I have been reading about clotilde soupert and compte de chambord based off of other threads and decided I better start my own thread instead of hijacking the other threads, which I think I already did, so sorry. I have just about convinced my self to get CS, from what I understand it's not the humidity that makes it ball , it's the lack of heat so I'm pretty sure it should do ok for me, but would love to hear from others in similar climates. The same goes for CdC, is this a rose that would perform well in my Texas heat and humid as far as BS, rebloom and fragrance? Or is more suited for a milder climate? I fell like the more I research the more confused it makes me lol. I appreciate any feed back or advice or even another suggestion for a different rose. I really love the look of the blooms in both roses, want a smaller compact bush, and good rebloom with strong fragrance. Not too much to ask is it lol? I seriously am having dreams about choosing roses and making a wrong choice, ugh, I'm pathetic |
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| Clothilde Soupert often balls for us in hot, humid weather. I much prefer CdC, although we do spray it for blackspot (and I think we'd have to). |
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| I was just thinking that roses need to come with a "will ball under_______conditions" notice. It seems like there are a variety of reasons different ones ball. I know Portland's are not supposed to do well here. But when I have a space in a box from Burling.,..I may have to "test" this one here |
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| Clotilde's petals are as thin as tissue paper which is why the flowers tend to ball in cool wet weather. I'm hot and humid here, and I don't remember balling being that big of a problem. I think there was some, just not a whole lot. So maybe the heat does help?? I've never tried Comte de Chambord. What do you want in terms of color and scent? The Comte is decidedly pink. Clotilde will only look pink in the coolest weather. With any sun or heat she turns white. The fragrance, if I remember right, was sort of powdery floral. Comte is supposed to be damask scented. While it's hard to say how what rose will perform in which conditions, based on their genetics, you'd probably get more reliable rebloom with Clotilde which is part tea and part polyantha. Comte is either a damask perpetual or hybrid perpetual. Those are somewhat more likely to shut down in hot weather, especially if they aren't getting lots of water. Then again, you could always get both and see how they work out for you. |
This post was edited by bellegallica_zone9 on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 15:59
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- Posted by titian1 Sydney, Australiae (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 18:26
I tried C de C. It had few blooms (delicious perfume though), and was leggy. I pulled it out after 2 years, so maybe I didnt give it long enough.
I guess you've dismissed Julia Child.
Have you thought of Tipsy Imperial Concubine? A rose I'd love to have, if just for the name! Trish. |
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I planted Julia Child this summer and love her so far, but I cannot smell her fragrance at all:(. I was wanting something with big OGR blooms and fragrance and good repeat bloom, I wonder if any Austin's would fulfill that need and sti stay compact.
I agree Tipsy Imperial Comcubine is a awesome name lol! |
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- Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 18:44
| The Comte was good here. When we remodeled the pond they dug it up twice, and the second time killed it. It was a nice little rose, didn't take up much space, strong fragrance. BS resistance, I could not tell you. A light cut back (20%) after each flush gave the best repeat, and summer temps don't get as high here I think as they do in SE TX. |
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| In zone 8 you can grow Boubons, tea roses and Noisettes. Antique Rose Emporium, in Texas, has a good selection of teas. You might try calling someone at either ARE or Chamblees, another Texas old rose nursery, for recommendations. Tea roses are nearly always in bloom, from about April to November in zone 8, and the bushes and foliage are attractive as well. A few years ago, a poster on this forum called teas "the complete garden package". |
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| Thanks everyone for chiming in, I'm sure I will eventually find the right rose for that particular place in my yard. |
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| If you want a gorgeous smaller Austin (about 3 x 2), consider waiting to see if Austin will be offering his new Olivia Ross Austin in America in 2015. (Or call DA in Tyler, Texas and ask if they will be carrying it.) It is a truly gorgeous light pink with BIG blooms. Austin also says (on his English site) that it is "vigorous and it repeat-flowers well. . . . It is also one of the most disease-resistant of all the roses we know. " Sounds wonderful to me! Kate |
Here is a link that might be useful: Olivia Rose Austin
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| Thanks Kate! I will give them a call soon and if they have it I can always pick it up when I make my trip to Chamblees in the spring. I'm new at all this rose business and still learning about what roses do well in my climate. |
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| You did catch my typo in the previous post, didn't you? That is "Olivia Rose Austin"--not "Olivia Ross Austin." : ) Kate |
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| I tried twice but could never get COMTE DE CHAMBORD to grow on her own roots in my heavy red clay soil. I have two CLOTILDE SOUPERT bushes and don't like them because while they are in constant bloom during the growing season the foliage is extremely prone to powdery mildew. The climbing sport on-the-other-hand is a much better cultivar. Have you considered CAPITAINE DYEL DE GRAVILLE? It is the medium pink sport of Souvenir de la Malmaison. I have SdlM and absolutely love her. Grows well on her own roots, stays short, not too thorny, disease resistant foliage, not fazed by heat and humidity, drop dead gorgeous blooms, wonderful (and unique) fragrance and is always in bloom. Practically perfect in every way. |
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| Molineaux I have never heard of Capataine Dyel de Graville, I will have to google it and learn more about this rose. Thanks for the suggestion! |
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| Ok I just looked up CDdG and it is a beautiful rose, I wonder why more nurseries don't offer it for sale anymore. I also looked at Marchessa Bocella and think she is very beautiful as well and seems to have good reviews for my climate. What do you think about MB? |
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| Kate I just called DA in Tyler asked about the Olivia Rose, she is a beauty btw and I would love to have her, and they said they don't expect her to be available in the states for a few years. So bummer on that! |
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| Have you looked at the roses on the Earth-kind list? Those were trialed in Texas, though I'm not sure exactly which part of Texas. I'll put the link to the Earth-kind page below. Quickly looking through the list, based on your criteria of repeat bloom and fragrance, what about: Marie Daly
Souvenir de St. Anne's
Duchesse de Brabant
Belinda's Dream |
Here is a link that might be useful: Earth-kind rose cultivars
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| Oh, boncrow--I'm so disappointed--for both of us. I tell you, the more I thought about Olivia Rose, the more I started wanting her. Probably just as well in my case since I don't really have any open spots anymore--but if one of my roses succumbs to winter, guess what I may very well put in its place--even if I have to wait for it! Olivia Rose really is a beauty, isn't she! Kate |
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| Belle, I will be planting Duchess de Brabant next spring just not in that spot, she is going to be in between Mrs. Dudley cross, also a Earthkind rose. From what I've read DdB will get too large for the spot I'm trying to fill. I think Belinda's dream is beautiful and I'm glad you suggested her because I hasn't even thought about her but she looks like she might just do the trick, and even if I don't put her there I have another place I can plant her and I'm thinking she is going to go on my permanent list for next spring. I think she would be beautiful planted in a group of 3 at the main entrance of my porch. Kate , I know I was disappointed too! But I am still building my garden and hopefully in a few years I will have a spot for the lovely Olivia, I will make sure I do :). |
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| This just came to mind. What about the miniature (someone said it should have been classed as a poly) Sweet Chariot? Clouds of damask-scented flowers on a smallish shrub. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sweet Chariot
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| Sweet Chariot is beautiful! Love the pics of her in hanging basket too, she really seems to be a match for my spot. Thanks for the suggestion! |
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