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| What are your experiences with G. Nabonnand? In a mild, coastal climate do you think this would be a monster at maturity? And is this rose truly mostly free from prickles? I wouldn't be sad to see that verified. I look forward to reading your feelings about Gilbert. Jay |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich NASHVILLE (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 17:27
| Jay, I will go out in the morning and take photos of G. I received it mid July and it literally seems to grow overnight! Putting on lots of buds and blooms too. I will take photos of the canes etc. I was sitting in the garden today wondering what will be its permanent home since it seems like its going to be big. Would love to hear from someone with a mature one! I get freezing temps here in Nashville. Susan |
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| The jury's still out, here, on how large it will become. It IS disease-free, and repeats like crazy, right through winter. Jeri |
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| Here in hot, humid Texas it becomes huge. One of my favorite roses! Mine is almost 7' tall. |
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| G Nabonnand is on the right. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 20:07
| Yay! Gorgeous! What about prickles OG? Susan |
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| Here it was heavily covered mildew (like there had been a frost -- in July?!?) most of the year, even when it wasn't "mildew season". Admittedly not in a great spot but 'Niles Cochet', which replaced it (after 5 or 6 years of me waiting for G. Nabonnand to get better), hasn't had that problem at all. Mine came from Vintage, in case it's a matter of clones. Mrs. B.R. Cant, in the next space over, also doesn't have as much a problem with PM as G. Nabonnand did. I should add that, despite nearly constant PM and the shrub looking like a 6' x 6' disaster, G. Nabonnand almost always had blooms. Go figure. |
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| Nope, no prickles I could find! |
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Sun, Oct 13, 13 at 11:36
| G. Nabonnand performs beautifully here for me. You might be able to tell from my GardenWeb name that it's one of my favorite roses. In my garden, it's disease free. It's one on my healthiest roses. Like all tea roses in Texas, it gets really, really large here. But it's easy to keep trimmed. If you have space to let it grow to its natural size, you'll be amazed at how beautiful it's natural shape is. It's leaves are some of nature's best gifts to my garden. It blooms like crazy almost all year, but even if it didn't, those soft leaves and almost layered looking branching habit are so natural looking ... the anti-Hybrid Tea, if you will. Yes, it's true, it's canes are thornless. Very, very slick and smooth. However, underneath each leaf there are tiny prickles. So, G. Nanbannand will never hurt you and is easy to prune, but if you stick your unprotected arm inside the bush, it's very possible that you can get some superficial surface scratches on your arm from its leaves. I always prune G. Nabonnand without any gloves on. One of the few big roses on earth where you can do that. It's a very special rose for me. Mine was purchased on-line from The Antique Rose Emporium. Randy |
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| Lol, Randy, you're exactly the reason I purchased G Nabonnand; I would hang on every word you posted when I first got into roses, and you never steered me wrong! Thank you. |
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| G. Nabonnand never mildews here -- where many roses do. In fact, it never has mildewed, even when it was a teeny plant. FWIW, the Nabonnand roses I've grown share that characteristic -- complete freedom from disease. That's one reason I want more of them. Jeri |
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| Which has often made me wonder if I had the right rose, Jeri... however, the blooms looked exactly like those in photos on HMF (and were absolutely enchanting). There was no mistaking its abject propensity for mildew here -- a bum plant, perhaps. The roots and all looked fine upon removal. |
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- Posted by floridarosez9 10 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 13, 13 at 13:24
| Boo Hoo. Mine died during our extremely wet summer. I didn't realize his gallon pot wasn't draining until too late. He turned up his toes and died. I was really looking forward to seeing how he would do in Florida. |
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| Who knows, Catspa -- maybe you had a "lemon" of a plant? I only know that it's a trooper HERE -- tho, of course, my "here" is different than your "here." Jeri |
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- Posted by ArbutusOmnedo none (My Page) on Sun, Oct 13, 13 at 20:57
| Oh wow. Gorgeous looking shrub ogrose. I think all of your input has convinced me to try this rose. I'm getting a Rosette Delizzy in the mail this week from ARE as the centerpiece to the OGR bed I'm creating for my mother and G. Nabonnand seems like it needs to flank RD. I've been using your invaluable help to finally plan/create her dream rose garden with realistically successful and maintainable varieties. The first time I showed her Rosette Delizy she just lit up and it had to be the centerpiece. G. Nabonnand was another one of those roses that made an instant impression. We took a trip to the Huntington to "scout" our prospective selections and things became even more difficult! Your help has made dwindling down the list so much easier. I sincerely appreciate it everyone! Jay |
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| What concerns me more than mildew (this rose has been on my list of Teas that might be able to cope with my damp, cool climate) is the question of balling. The slow-opening habit of Tea rose blooms is fatal here. For example: Baronne Henriette de Snoy is a wonderfully healthy fast-growing bush here, with NO mildew...but only ONE flower actually opened this summer. I was prepared for that, and I set about the whole thing as an experiment...but... On the other hand, Lady Hillingdon's lovely flowers always open. If balling wasn't an issue for me I would plant ALL of the Cochet roses, because to me, they are heart-stoppingly beautiful. Jeri, do I recall you saying before that the Nabonnand roses are (potentially) less fussy when it comes to this issue? Zachary |
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| Oh no no no! G. Nabonnand NEVER balls! The petals have lovely substance, and it opens beautifully in all weather here. Now, I have only grown 3 Nabonnand roses, but all of them are roses I'd recommend to a lazy gardener in my conditions. Jeri |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Mon, Oct 14, 13 at 19:53
| Maman Cochet has been teasing me for over 6 days with a BUD. Sepals dropped but infinitesimal daily progress. It's cool here but sheesh.... I figure it will open about the time we get a drenching rain. This will be my second bud on a two year old plant. And Baronne Henriette does take her time to open too. I haven't had any balling yet. Jeri, what are the 3 Nabonnands you grow? Susan |
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| Susan, we've grown Rosette Delizy for years and years. We had General Gallieni long ago, but it was a poor plant. Never any disease tho! And the blooms were so lovely ... so when Gean offered me cuttings from her vigorous plant, I was grateful. It's growing well here now, in a large pot, and should go into the ground next year. And G. Nabonnand, we've had for maybe 4-5 years, and it gets better all the time. I've never seen any disease on any of the three, and I love the blooms on all. Now, if you want to talk about BALLING -- The Cochets do ball here for me. But they are also completely clean, and bloom generously. And even when they do ball, they open about halfway, and still look lovely. :-) Here they are. Jeri |
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| Jeri...Thanks for the enablement :) |
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| Always happy to enable. :-) Jeri |
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| 'Barcelona' IS moderate in size -- but it is also a FUSSIER rose, at least for us, than some of the others. Beautiful thing, tho -- and very, very fragrant. :-) Jeri |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 15, 13 at 20:55
| So pretty! Thanks Jeri. |
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Wed, Oct 16, 13 at 20:57
| Jeri's right ... never ever worry about G Nabonnand balling. It just doesn't happen. When most of my other roses are balling during cool, wet spring periods, G Nabonnand is busy blooming his head off, no problem. Randy |
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| What an exciting prospect- I'm adding it to my Roses Unlimited order-list for next Spring! |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Fri, Oct 10, 14 at 22:55
| In the past the blooms seemed to be more peachy. But this is a bloom today. I sure hope it really is G Nabonnand |
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