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| I am growing fat (well fatter) since discovering this forum. I had never heard of Ivor's rose, so looked it up, and that led to another post..... and another.....ad infintum. I discovered this forum when I was looking up Mme Berkeley, and up popped 'What tea would you not be without?' Told a friend who roared with laughter as the comments like 'more acres' were so like me.On that subject , do you have "Octavus (or less correctly, Octavius) Weld' in the US? It is a lovely creamy pale pink in Spring. And much as I love Mrs Dudley Cross, her blooms are so weak-necked, they hang vertically downwards most of the time. Perhaps someone has a cure for this? |
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| Welcome, hope you enjoy! ogrose |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 19:17
| I'm glad you love the forum. It has been a source of enjoyment for me for many years now. Many teas have weak necks. It's just their nature. It's one reason why climbing teas are great. |
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| Welcome, Titian! Many friendships have been made on this forum, and many roses added to all of our gardens. We do grow 'Octavius Weld', only we call it 'Angels's Camp Tea' here in the United States. There is a wonderful book called Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens written by some fellow-countrywomen of yours. If you are a fan of tea roses, you need this book. Rosefolly |
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 19:52
| Glad you're enjoying it here, Titan. Mrs Dudley Cross grows at least 8 feet tall here in Texas. Thank goodness her blooms arch gracefully and not stiffly upright like a modern hybrid tea rose. Since I'm not 9 foot tall, her habit is perfect to me Randy |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 20:18
| This IS a lovely place, isn't it, Titian? I can also recommend the Aussie Tea Roses book. It's gorgeous and very informative. So glad you found us!! Sounds like you'll fit in beautifully. Sherry |
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| Yes. Once 'Mrs. Dudley Cross' grows up, you will be happy to see that her blooms nod gracefully. Jeri |
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| In the meantime, Titian, the only solution I can recommend is to lie on your back under the bush and stare at the lovely flowers six inches above you. My tea roses don't grow that quickly because of my hot and dry climate, so with the hangers-down I cut them off and enjoy them in a vase indoors. I had no idea that Angels Camp Tea was Octavius Weld. The things you can learn here! Ingrid |
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| Ingrid, Your post made me laugh so hard! Lol. Titan, Welcome to the boards! This place has proven to be a huge blessing for me and I hope it is the same for you as well. Josh |
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| Thankyou all for your welcomes and info. I look forward to making lots of lovely friends. Ingrid, having got so fat, lying down under Mrs DC is no longer an option. I might never get up again. I have a few teas, and most are weak-necked, but Mrs DC face-plants. the blooms are so heavy. I've had it previously in another garden, and don't remember this, so maybe she'll grow out of it. Yes, that book is great. I have borrowed it from the library several times. Jeri, on another post, I think it was you who said Mme Berkeley grows huge. I planted it this Spring thinking (from HMF) that it only grew to 4' high and 2' wide. It is near Ms Tillier, with Isabella Sprunt inbetween. Poor Isabella, she's unlikely to get a look-in. Ms T (21/2 yrs since planted) is now 7' tall and 15' wide. Sherry, I'm glad to see your posts. Was worried that all was not well when I didn't. |
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| Well, our Mme. Berkeley is a good 7 ft. tall, and easily 10-ft wide. She's a real showpiece and ... yes, I wish I had selected a different location for her. But -- It's toooooooooo late now. If I were you, I'd move Isabella. Mme. Berkeley ate a smaller Tea to her left. Try not to think of them as "weak necks." They're NOT "weak." That's Hybrid Tea thinking, y'know. Teas are SUPPOSED to nod. It's a positive element in their overall charm. And since they are big, graceful plants -- unlike modern Hybrid Tea Roses, who look like they all went to Military School, those nodding blooms are their crowning achievement. Jeri 'Reve d'Or,' a Tea-Noisette, also nods gracefully . . . |
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- Posted by cemeteryrose USDA 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 21:19
| Jannorcal named Mons Tillier "Monster Tillier" and that's what it is in the Sacramento Cemetery - it got cut back severely a few years ago but is once again about as big as you describe! We've had Mme Berkeley for five or six years and it's never gotten taller than four feet, and it's at least six feet wide. On this forum somebody once described a tea rose getting its canes comfortably onto the ground and then growing up from there, and that's how I think of Mme Berkeley, nice and comfortably horizontal rather than growing upright. A good solution for weak-necked teas is to cut a long stem or two and put them into a vase on a mantel or high shelf. Very elegant - I don't speak much French but the term "tres soignee" comes to mind! We like the banana scent of Mrs. DC. Glad you have joined us. Rose friends are indeed lovely. Anita |
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| Ok jeri, 'nodding' it is! Don't get me wrong, I like their habit, but my Mrs DC's flower stems literally do a u-turn. Will post a photo during next flush. Monster Tillier! I shall never think of him the same again.hope my Mme B restrains herself to the size of yours. Love the 'horizontal' desciption. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Tue, Oct 29, 13 at 10:58
| I love the graceful way the tea roses present the flowers as well. All the roses have their own way to beauty. |
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| I suppose everyone knows this passage about tea roses from "Elizabeth and her German Garden" (1898) but in case they missed it: "My roses have behaved as well on the whole as |
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