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Posted by gar99010 (My Page) on
Sun, Oct 20, 13 at 16:58

It is a china rose. this particular bush was taller then me, and I am 6'1. That is not the height that I have normally seen other roses that look identical get, can anyone name it for me please? Thanks


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We need more info to ID this. Please post pictures of the leaves, thorns, blooms, and canes. How did you conclude it is a China?

Josh


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And where are you located? Roses in the China family most certainly can get that big, and Teas probably even bigger.

What do you know about the rose's origin -- where it came from. Is it a budded plant, or on its own roots?

Jeri


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this plant is located in a cemetery in Atlanta GA. here is another picture of it. thanks.


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  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Mon, Oct 21, 13 at 1:01

It kinda reminds me of 'Old Blush' or its sport, 'Archduke Charles'. Thoughts?

:-)

~Christopher


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AquaEyes, I agree it certainly could be Old Blush. My archduke Charles is only 3'. Perhaps in more southern climates it gets larger.


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It's not 'Archduke Charles.' He is a far "fuller" bloom.

This doesn't look full enough for 'Bon Silene,' but I guess that's possible.

It doesn't look quite right for 'Old Blush,' either -- to me. Again, that's possible, but I can't see the typical darker veining through the petals. (Tho that could be photo quality.)

Le Vesuve? Not full enough, I think. Napoleon? (Ch. Laffay, 1834)????

There's a China we found in my family's TX cemetery that's a bit like this. We call it "The China From Adina." And that is, I suspect, a chance seedling of 'Old Blush.'
Adina, Texas photo CFA2007Coll.jpg

(See Old Blush, below)

But there's not enough detail here to ID. As Josh said, we need plant, leaves, prickles, canes ... and even then, it can be "chancy," particularly with changeable Chinas.

Jeri


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  • Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
    Mon, Oct 21, 13 at 13:51

'Le Vesuve', perhaps? Mine never had a lot of petals.


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My Le Vesuve does have a lot more petals, but what I'm not seeing are the many small but vicious thorns that even the thinnest canes have. Also the petals seem too blunt whereas Le Vesuve's petals tend to narrow towards the ends. The rose in the picture is very pretty, though.

Ingrid


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I can't see much, but I can see that there are glandular structures on the peduncle -- and some powdery mildew there, too. (FWIW, O.B. mildews here like a demon. Never outgrew it which is why it is long-gone.)

Even with some leaves and prickles, and a whole plant to look at, this ID is no slam-dunk.

Jeri


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