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Wed, Oct 30, 13 at 17:59
| I'm sitting here looking at Mutabilis and really admiring it. It's almost like a "neutral" the colors are so variable and nice with OGRs. Wonder if there is a rose similar that would repeat and take to an 8ft arch? Susan |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Wed, Oct 30, 13 at 18:22
| Mutabilis will take to an 8ft. arch in a warm climate. Mine is up 12 feet into a tree. |
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| Mutabilis will climb trees. But if you want a MODERN climber, 'Joseph's Coat' does the same color shift. (But I think Mutabilis is prettier.) Jeri |
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| yep, it will manage 8feet in the UK too - although, to be fair, I would never grow it like that because while it gets tall, it never really loses its twiggy growth pattern and looks a bit....thin....although I guess a companion climber such as eccremocarpus scaber or mina lobata might look rather charming....or a clematis. Louis Lens hybridised a series of hybrid musks including Plaisanterie, Apricot Bells, Patricia Beucher, which have mutabilis in their parentage and would, imo, be more suitable - Plaisanterie in particular, is more robust and substantial, and would be a possible option - although, to be fair, they are not strictly classed as climbers either. Oh yeah, there is Masquerade. |
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| My Mutabilis is over the roof, but, yes, it is twiggy. Mine doesn't look thin, just a bit crazy and angular. It goes in a zillion directions, including sharply downward branches. It is an exuberant rose, but not a graceful one. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 31, 13 at 1:23
| Okay, so now I have to ask, are the colors on Mutabilis similar to the ones on Josephs Coat? Don't hate me but I really really do not care for Joseph's Coat at all. |
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| No, both JC and Mutabilis have color shifts, but they are as different as that of Love & Peace and Rosette Delizy. All of them "sun burn" with heat and bright light from lighter, brighter colors to darker, redder colors, but there are great differences in them. The newer, more modern ones are more "metallic" appearing pigments; brighter, more "garish" if you will. Brilliant yellows, brilliant reds and oranges (which I actually personally enjoy). Mutabilis and the older Teas which share similar tones are more muted, almost "natural" colors. Instead of "bright yellow", think chamois-flesh-natural apricot. Instead of ripe orange-peel orange and stop sign red, think rosy-suntan flesh developing into more purplish tones, finishing burnished, purple brick red. My mind perceives the Mutabilis and Tea's tones as "organic", "natural", as in flesh, fruit, earth tones compared to the "paint pigments" of Joseph Coat and its type. Does that help give the idea? Search the images on HMF for them and you'll see what I mean immediately. Kim |
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| absolutely spot-on, Kim. I also loathe that yellow turning pink thing (Peace, gah) but Mutabilis is a different order altogether - a soft chamois creamy yellow, cycling very rapidly to a good crimson....and because it is never 'covered in blooms', it almost looks more like a tall perennial (and, in my garden, gets treated as such). One of the most stunningly healthy and floriferous roses I ever had was the little climber, Laura Ford. Never out of bloom, not a trace of disease but oh, that change from a very clear and bright yellow to a not very nice pink.......it had to go. Which is why I hesitated to mention Masquerade, which, like JC, has a similar lack of subtlety. |
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- Posted by plantloverkat 9a north Houston (My Page) on Thu, Oct 31, 13 at 9:35
| What about Meg? It is not exactly "like Mutabilis" , but certainly the colors would be much softer than Joseph's Coat. I have to admit that I have never grown Meg, but it is one that I have often admired in photos. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Meg
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 31, 13 at 10:28
| Kat, thanks for the link to Meg. She is very pretty. I really want something with the continual bloom of Mutabilis, however. I grew Jacob's Coat as one of my first bodybags. It was very floriferous but too modern, as you all have pointed out, for my color scheme. I have a pigwire arch about two feet wide on the sides, 8 ft tall with a 3 ft "roof". I have Parade growing on one side. It is not graceful nor formal. My garden is pretty much cottage-rustic-get by and make do-chic (if that can be considered chic....LOL). I was looking at Mutabilis (near the Parade arch) and thinking how complimentary the colors were with Parade. I'm getting more of the chamois, buff now that the temps have cooled. I don't mind the twiggy on the bush but as a climber it might look odd with the lushly foliated Parade...would it look lopsided or would it contract nicely? I have two Mutabilis, the one I was looking at is on fortuniana, so it is already 4ish feet high. I just have no idea how to train it as a climber. I've asked a here a couple of times about training but I guess that is a dumb question. LOL. I see lots of roses on HMF which state "may be trained as a climber" but I have no idea how to do that.... I was also thinking of Nur Mahal as she is throwing out long canes but I will need to see her in bloom to determine if the colors will work. Camps, I love the Lens roses. I was trying to find a US seller the other day for a Lens HM and couldn't find one. If Mutabilis will make 8 ft in the UK it will likely do a bit taller here.. Susan |
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| Hmmmm, I do grow Meg and while it is absolutely stunning when in bloom, it would not be a prime choice for growing on an arbour....or attempting any sort of training or shaping because it is both enormously thorny and possesses thick and stiff canes - some of which shoot out at strange and difficult angles. When I first had this rose, I remember being quite upset by the less than favourable reviews it had......and now realise that its reputation, as being a bit high maintenance, is deserved. However, for a month in June, it is a glorious sight of unruly canes with outrageously beautiful blooms....and gigantic heps later in the year....which brings me to its other 'fault' -only 1 bloom cycle unless a braver person than me would tackle the deadheading. I have loved having this rose but would not make the effort to uproot and transplant it to a different location. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Fri, Nov 1, 13 at 13:17
| Would Nur Mahal work? |
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- Posted by harborrose 8-Puget Sound/PNW (My Page) on Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 1:55
| You could always plant an annual vine on the other side next spring and wait for your other roses to bloom to see what the colors will look like together and then plant next fall. I was looking at Purple Bell Vine and thinking that those blooms would look marvelous with Parade. Just a thought. |
Here is a link that might be useful: purple bell vine
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| Here is my completely untrained Mutabilis growing thru the holly. Both were a lot smaller when I planted Mutabilis....There are blooms above the roof line, but you can't see them in this photo, which was taken this past April. |
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| mmmmm, I grow rhodochiton (purple bell vine) every year from seed -I could overwinter it but it is an easy annual and once grown, there are always plenty of seeds - and yep, it is a lovely thing but late, very very late into growth and flower. Mine is really only just coming into full growth right now). but probably just the ticket for those of you who have all year round gardening. Glad to see it given a bit of prominence as it is a rather lovely plant but suspect it would be entirely hidden in a climbing rose (I let mine twine around the arbour trellis where the delicate blooms are about chest height, to be easily seen - grows well with one of the climbing tropolaeums such as T.tricolour or 'Ken Aslet'. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Sun, Nov 3, 13 at 18:55
| Thanks you all! Yes, I am not in a hurry nor do I need to put anything right there, right now. I need to draw up the reins and be patient. Susan |
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