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Posted by greybird z7 TX (My Page) on Tue, Oct 27, 09 at 18:01
| I have Mons. Tillier, LePactole and Maggie, about 6'x 3', in my garden, all have a similiar upright growth habit and look good together. I have just added Mrs. BR Cant and Lady Hillingdon this fall. Duchesse de Brabant is on the way out, just doesn't look that great in this group.
Any suggestions for teas that might look good with these? |
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RE: Teas
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I love the Teas you're growing,
because you already have a good selection of light to medium pinks, and apricot with Lady Hillingdon,
I suggest
-'Etoille de Lyon' because a yellow rose will brighten the landscape. It has pretty foliage with a slight glaucous hue, that complement the hue of its creamy yellow roses.
or for a more dramatic effect;
'Clementina Carbonieri' a lovely Tea that, that is the most richly colored Tea.
It can range from predominantly cerise, to pink with rich golden hues.
I was delighted to see photos of the woman it was named after at helpmefind.com Luxrosa |
RE: Teas
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| You don't like Duchesse? Mons.Tillier is quite large and so is Mrs. B.R.Cant. Lady H and Maggie are about the 6'x3'.I love Cramoisi Superieur. Also a smaller rose that looks great with any rose is SDLM. Marie Van Houtte is very pretty, and has maintained a nice form for me. In the last year or so I have bought many more, but they have not yet had the benefit of time, except for William R. Smith. Carnation is a Bermuda rose and very pretty, and Beauty of Rosemawr is also pretty. Beaute Inconstante is also pretty. I am not even going to re-read this or I will add revise, add revise. Sammy |
RE: Teas
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| Sammy, I have tried to like Duch. de Brabant, but just really can't. The form seems off, sorta sprawly, and I'm not real crazy about the blooms. Also, here she is not tall enough for the group, not enough of an upright grower. Maybe it is just the specimen I have that isn't that great, but 5 years is enough to see she needs to go, at least to different spot in the yard. Are Marie or William about the 6'x3' upright form? You frequently mention Cram.Sup., and if it does so well in your yard, it might work for mine. Luxrosa, Etoille de Lyon sounds lovely, as does Clementina Carbonieri. Seems like I have looked at CC before, but hestitated due to questionable hardiness in my zone. I will look again.
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RE: Teas
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| Marie and William both have good form. Cramoisi sort of sprawls, and is technically a china. I read something about Marie being called William R. Smith in Europe. I have one rose in the front and one in the back, and cannot easily see what the difference is between them. I need to be careful when I recommend because some of my roses are way in the back where to grow feely and sprawl is a good thing. I love CS, but it does not have the vase form that Marie and William have. Also anymore I am thrilled to have a rose that is healthy and does not need spray. I am not nearly as particular as I was when I sprayed. Sammy |
RE: Teas
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| Thanks Sammy, I will have to try CS in another application. I hear you recommend it alot, so it really must be good in this part of the country. Etoille de Lyon sounds beautiful, how big does it get and does it have upright form? If not, could anyone suggest a hardy in zone 7 yellow tea,(not apricot) that gets about 6' in an upright, vase form? |
RE: Teas
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We have found Etoile de Lyon to grow wide, as well as tall.
YMMV, but I will say that ARE sells a nice Etoile. Jeri |
RE: Teas
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| We love Gilbert de Nabonnand, and he has the added bonus of being almost thornless, so we put him in places we wouldn't want a thornier rose. Lovely warm blush blooms. |
RE: Teas
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I second G. Nabonnand, especially after having seen a mature specimen 2 weeks ago in a private garden. Although mine is young, it is already becoming a favorite. It is close to perfect for me: beautiful repeat blooms, healthy, and THORNLESS. My GN is planted between Mutabilis and Old Blush and that series has worked well in my garden.
Molly |
RE: Teas
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| I really like the blooms of Gilbert Nabonnand, but I am not having much luck growing him. The first specimen I had died during its first winter. The current one is not doing well, growing "down" instead of "up". Could be it is shadowed by its towering neighbors. It has not been vigorous. May be to cold here. |
RE: Teas
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I cannot comment on a couple of yours since mine have not experienced a winter.
G. Nabonnand is very pretty. Etoile de Lyon is not sure it wants a no spray garden. Someone else posted that it always looks dirty, and I am wondering about that. I am afraid that it may be that thrips like it too much. Sammy |
RE: Teas
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| Monsieur Tillier is doing beautiful at this time as is Madame Lombard. And that Maggie, she just keeps on looking lovelier every year. Covered in blooms. P.S. Sammy, I did not like Etoile de Lyon for the same reasons you state. It seemed to enjoy fungus to the point of always looking neglected, a vagabond in the south, perhaps. |
RE: Teas
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| How large does Mme. Lombard get?? |
RE: Teas
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| I live in a different zone from you....I am in zone 9. Mme. Lombard is a Big Rose for me. A band, planted in 2006 (early...like in February) is now about 7' tall. Nice rose. Jerome |
RE: Teas
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| I have Duchesse de Brabant and I'm not that happy with her either, sorry to say. The bush is nice, sprawling 20 feet along a wall, but the balling and the mildew are just too much to bear for the reward of a rather indistinguished pink fluffball, in my view. I would replace it, but the bush is like 70 years old, I just couldn't. |
RE: Teas
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| I am really enjoying my Teas right now (October). Mine are still small, but, many are really blooming beautifully. Some of the stars include Mrs. Foley-Hobbs
Blumenschmidt
Gilbert Nabonnand
Hovyn de Tronchere Robert |
RE: Teas
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| Greybird, don't know about your zone, but the flowers on my Maman Cochet are to die for. She's supposed to be a big bush. Mine is in the ground 13 months so I can't tell you anything about her growth habit, but a prettier, fuller bloom will be hard to find. Sherry |
RE: Teas
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| I wonder if Mme Lombard would get good sized here, I hear a lot of good things about her. Does anyone grow here in zone 7? Sherry, I have thought to get Maman Cochet many times. I wonder about the growth habit, can't have one all sprawly in this particular spot. I am still up in the air as to which to order, can't really tell if they will be good sized as well as upright here. Can't have any short and sprawly, I will be planting close. I am planting along a fenceline in my back yard. I hope they will sorta grow together to form a large hedge. |
RE: Teas
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| Greybird,for the most part we have seen Maman Cochet to be reasonably upright. Jeri |
RE: Teas
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I used to have Mme Lombard....my neighbors complained she was blocking their view (I live on a corner) I was told I could keep the rose but would have to keep her at 2 feet...I found someone to come and get her...I miss her, she was very nice.
Also very nice is Georgetown Tea....does anyone know who that really is?
Mme Lombard was 6x6...I think about 6 years old. |
RE: Teas
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| How about Mrs. Dudley Cross? She's thornless and has beautiful yellow blooms right now, with pink edging, has nice form (almost HT like sometimes) and is tallish. |
RE: Teas
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| Thanks to all who responded, I have narrowed them down to a list of the best contenders. Look at these: William R. Smith
Madame Lombard
Maman Cochet
Mrs. Dudley Cross I have seen these recommended many times, I think they will do nicely. Any last comments before I commit? |
RE: Teas
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| I don't remember all of the conversations here. Maman Cochet is taking off slowly for me, and I am not sure about disease resistance. Even though Mrs. Dudley Cross is a sport of Marie Van Houtte, she does seem to black spot a little more than Marie. I am hoping that as she gets older, she will become more resistant. I love my William R. Smith. I think you will enjoy your selection, and am looking forward to reports about your roses. Sammy |
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