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| Just joined this forum hoping to find help for this 40 year old rose bush in my yard. My husband thinks it is called a 49er. Last 2 years it bloomed with beautiful, fragrant pale yellow blooms on a 10-12 inch stem. This year, no blooms at all. Every year it grows these long (12 to 15 feet) stems with huge thorns. Please help me learn what to do. We love this rose bush. |
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| Looks like rootstock has taken over. the 10-12" stem was what was left of the original plant ('Forty Niner'). The rootstock is likely 'Dr Huey'. |
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- Posted by AnistonsMema none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 7, 14 at 20:08
| Confused. What is Dr Huey? The 12 inch stems grew off of these tremendous stalks. 3 years ago, I crossed my fingers and cut the bush back to knee high. It came back the same as now. |
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| Many roses are grafted onto a harder type of rose. Dr. Huey is one of the rootstocks frequently used. However, Dr. Huey has red flowers and does not shoot up 12' canes. I find no rose called Forty-Niner that meets your description. I would guess you have either Mermaid or Fortune's Double Yellow. Use the link below to check these out to see if either matches your rose. Off hand, I cant tell you why it didn't bloom this year. Many roses bloom only in the spring. If you can identify the rose, we might be able to give you better advise. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/roses.php |
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| Oh YES. Dr. Huey definitely can make 12-ft. canes. He's a rambler, after all. Huey remains the most popular commercial rootstock because it is widely-adaptable. But as a garden rose, it has immense problems. AND since it is spring-blooming only, if it is pruned in the winter/early spring, you will get no blooms at all from it. You can see 'Dr. Huey' at: Forty-Niner is a 1949 Hybrid Tea Rose. It would grow upright, and would repeat. You can see it at: If your rose is blooming semi-double and dark maroon red -- it is Dr. Huey. If it is winter-pruned, and subsequently does not bloom at all, it is Dr. Huey. Jeri in Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal |
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- Posted by fig_insanity 7a, East TN (My Page) on Tue, Oct 7, 14 at 21:26
| Dr Huey is the rose variety used as rootstock. It's notorious for taking over with the least bit of provocation...or opportunity. If there's any of the actual Fortyniner left, you MIGHT be able to salvage it. You will have to identify/differentiate it from the long canes, which will all be Dr Huey. There will be differences in the leaves, and the canes/thorns. Don't remove anything this Fall. It will not only force the plant into new growth too late to harden off before winter, plus you might as well let the good Dr store as much nutrition as possible in the roots. Next Spring, all the Dr Huey will have to be removed, as low down the plant as possible. Again, leave only the Fortyniner cane(s). Hopefully it will put on new growth. HOWEVER, you will now and forevermore be battling new suckers and sprouts of Dr Huey. Every time one rears its head, you'll need to PULL, not cut, it off below ground where it joins the trunk or main root. In my personal experience, it's a losing battle. Either resign yourself to keeping a red once-bloomer (which is lovely... until it defoliates from disease, lol), or find another yellow rose you like and replace it. Trust me, you'll save yourself much frustration, lol. John |
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| Right on target, John. Jeri |
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| The Hybrid Tea 'Forty-niner' is a dark pink rose, so whatever is blooming (or-this past year- NOT blooming) is likely to be rootstock. If the blooms up until this past year were pale yellow, 'Dr Huey' is unlikely to be the rootstock. 'Fortuniana' is often used in the South, though, and could be considered 'pale yellow' by some (though I would say cream-colored, myself). I don't know much about rootstocks but I do know that 'Dr Huey' isn't pale yellow, and HMF tells me that 'Forty-niner' isn't either. If you like the pale yellow rootstock rose, it may have just had some trouble blooming after the harsh winter we had, and may do fine next year. If you'd like to replace the yellow-flowered rootstock rose with 'Forty-niner' or just have them both, that Hybrid Tea is still available commercially from Burlington Roses in California and Roses Unlimited in South Carolina. Good luck, Off to view the eclipse! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Info about the HT 'Forty-Niner'
This post was edited by vmr423 on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 6:08
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| Jeri, Location, location. My Dr. Hueys have never shot off 12' canes. Currently, I have two; one as rootstock on Zephy and one by itself, a survivor from the previous owner's garden, which I keep as a demo. 6' plus suckers is about the most I get in a season on either. I let the one on Zephy bloom because the first year it happened--accidentally--the colors were so pretty together that now I wait to cut Huey back until after it has bloomed. Also, Aniston may not have rootstock at all. Her description of long canes, yellow flowers, and mighty thorns brings Mermaid straight to mind. |
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| Does your yellow rose only bloom once in the spring or does it bloom off and on all summer long? Did you have to prune it back severely this spring because of the bad winter last year? You say this rose grows these long canes every year? If these long canes are coming off of the thick canes at the big knot on the bottom (called the graft) then they are probably not the root stock, whatever that may be. If they are coming up from the ground around and below that graft area then they would more likely be root stock. There is a fragrant yellow rose called Forty Heroes. But it's a hybrid tea not a climber. The growth habit in this picture really looks like some kind of climber. If you have any photos of the blooms please post them to help us ID the rose. |
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- Posted by plantloverkat 9a north Houston (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 10:46
| AnistonsMema said : "... 40 year old rose bush in my yard. My husband thinks it is called a 49er. Last 2 years it bloomed with beautiful, fragrant pale yellow blooms..." Any chance that the rose is Sutter's Gold, climbing? I have no idea if it is thorny, but it is supposed to be golden yellow with a strong fragrance. Certainly the date (1950) would fit, and I can see the relation between 49er and Sutter's Gold. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sutter's Gold on HMFRoses
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| If it is not rootstock, then those long lanky canes look kinda like Golden Showers to me. I used to let my GS "ramble" on its own with no support--the canes looked just like the ones in the picture. GS bloomed bloomed several times a season, especially if I remembered to give it extra water. It would open brighter yellow, but fade rather quickly to a lighter yellow. But, of course, Golden Showers has nothing to do with California gold rushes--though in mythology, the "shower of gold" coming out of the sky as Zeus impregnated a poor captive woman was often described as shining like a pile of golden coins. If it is the rambler/climber Golden Showers, there is nothing you can do about those long canes. That is its normal form. Kate |
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| It might help to know where you're located, AnistonsMema. If that is a rose that used to be rootstock for 'Forty-Niner', some folks here will know what was a likely choice for your area 40 years ago. You say you pruned it knee-high 3 years ago, and it bloomed with yellow flowers for the next two years and not at all this year? Were the flowers prior to the pruning 3 years ago the same as they were afterwards? If the rose always had the same yellow flowers, probably it isn't rootstock, but is what was originally planted. If there used to be other roses near this one, perhaps 'Forty-Niner' was another rose in the garden, but that was the only name he remembers? With a little more information, I think someone can help you figure out what's going on with your rose. Virginia |
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- Posted by AnistonsMema none (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 15:34
| Oh my! I have a lot to learn about roses and I LOVE it ! This Rose bush is special to our family. It is wonderful to receive all if your help to identify my problem. Let me clarify. The rose bloom was closer to a Creamy white with a hint of red. I wish that I had taken a picture but I immediately cut them for a beautiful arrangement in the kitchen! The base of this bush is huge! Several knarly root trunks that are 3-4 inches in diameter. I cut it back in the winter/ early spring thinking that would deter the 12 foot canes. We live in central North Carolina with a somewhat mild climate. When should I cut this back or not at all? I will check out the links provided and hope to identify. Thank you SOOOO much. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 16:22
| If that rose were mine, I would stop trying to make it smaller by cutting it back - it obviously is a climbing rose, and you cannot turn it into a small bush by cutting it back, as you have discovered. If you train the long canes as horizontally as you can, by tying them up to that wall, it will bloom way more next year. Then take pictures of the blooms, the buds, the thorns, and the leaves, and post them on here. Someone will then be able to help you identify it, and you will know exactly what kind of rose it is, which will help you find out how to take care of it. Jackie |
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| Most roses do best when pruned in the early spring. But as others have said, if it's a climber no amount of pruning will keep it small and bushy. It wants to climb! Instead of pruning it why not try training it out more sideways and see what it does next spring. You may be very surprised at how much bloom you get. You can use some stakes in the ground this fall and gently bend those long canes and tie them to the stakes in a sort of fan shape. Be careful not to break them. If they are very stiff you may have to wait until new, softer canes start next spring to really fan them outward. |
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- Posted by AnistonsMema none (My Page) on Wed, Oct 8, 14 at 20:13
| On the web site you recommended, my husband and I looked at pages of climbing white to yellow to cream roses . It is a Peace Climber. Those pictures matched the blooms that we had. Now what am I doing wrong as to why it didn't bloom this year. How do I care for this magnificent plant. |
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| Did you cut it back this past winter? Before or after the Polar Vortex zapped so many roses nationwide? My guess is that it didn't bloom this year due to a combination of being pruned before blooming and/or maybe it was also stressed from the cold. If it was cold here in coastal SC, I know it was cold up there, also! If you tie up the canes to train it as the climber it needs to be, and if we have a milder winter this year, I suspect you'll see your beautiful 'Climbing Peace' looking better than ever next year. Good luck, |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Thu, Oct 9, 14 at 14:55
| OK, you have identified it as Cl Peace - congratulations! That is a great rose. Also, it was introduced just at the end of WWII in this country, so your history with it makes sense. I had a Cl Peace which grew in our garden for 40+ years (eventually succumbed to too much shade - I lost the original plant, but managed to root a cutting and planted that in full sun). In my experience Cl Peace HATES to be hard pruned - my gardener did that to ours, and it did not bloom for 2 years. Many climbing roses refuse to bloom until they get as tall or large as they think they are "supposed" to. Until then, they put all of their energy into growing, not blooming. If they are frustrated in this endeavor by being hard pruned, they start over again trying to get tall/big. You cannot trick them. Having said that, of course it is ALWAYS a good idea to cut off dead canes - such as those which might die over a very cold winter. It is the live canes that should be left alone except to be trained horizontally. If you don't have a horribly cold winter again, your rose should put on a nice display next Spring - please post pictures on here So, I would tie the canes as horizontally as you can (you could purchase a trellis and put the trellis between the rose and that building), leave it alone (a little rose food would be appreciated - get one with no other stuff in it, just food, and follow the directions. Jackie |
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| I agree with Jackie. Get it spread out on a trellis for this winter. You want to secure those long canes so they won't whip around in the wind and get damaged. Don't prune it now, just fertilize it and keep it watered until winter. In the spring only prune off any dead wood. Let it grow some laterals and see if it blooms. If you don't have to prune it severely due to a bad winter again it should bloom nicely for you! Since this is a 40 year old Peace at some point I may just beg a few cuttings off you, lol! Everyone says the older ones have better color than the newer clones do. |
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- Posted by AnistonsMema none (My Page) on Tue, Oct 14, 14 at 20:47
| Wonderful news!! Peace has a bloom! I was studying the canes to see how to train them and saw a bloom high up. My husband helped me get a picture. I am not going to do anything over the Fall or winter but try to attach the canes to the brick wall and to a lattice. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Thu, Oct 16, 14 at 14:35
| That bloom certainly looks like Peace to me, not typical of Spring blooms, of course, but the colors are correct, and given the time of year it looks fine. The foliage looks right too - large very dark mostly shiny leaves. Climbing roses which are not tied horizontally tend to produce ONE bloom at the top of the tall canes, which it sounds like yours did. That is why it is good to tie it sideways - then it will produce laterals all along the cane which will produce blooms. Can't wait to see pictures of your rose when it is blooming next Spring! Jackie |
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| One word of caution: I have heard on more than one occasion that Climbing Peace is not a strong bloomer. On the other hand, it is one of the most beautiful roses in existence, in my opinion. Kate |
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| Cl Peace is not a strong repeat bloomer, but it will cover itself with bloom during May if the canes are trained semi-horizontally. |
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