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| Hello, In the past, I have grown Golden Celebration and after two years in the ground, it became an impressive bush; one of my favorites. Two homes later, I decided to try Golden Celebration again. This time I purchased an own-root rose that arrived as a band in July. It seemed to take off and then slowed down drastically. It now has been in the ground for about a six weeks and has done nothing. Everything else, Austin or not, has taken off by increasing in size and the leaves are of a mature size on these plants. Even the sad little EVS that I posted pictures of and was concerned about is taking off. I just do not know why it is failing to grow, and wonder if I should dig it up, re-pot it, and order a grafted version for the space? It looks healthy, it just is not growing at all, and has not. I even dug it out of the raised planter very carefully a couple of weeks ago and everything underneath the plant and roots looked healthy. Any information or suggestions you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I really love the plant and cannot have that empty spot next spring, but do not want to hastily remove it. Lynn |
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| Patience. You can't compare growth rates from rose to rose. Every rose grows at it's own pace and some are just slower than others. And own root roses do take longer to mature anyway. It could be building a good root ball first. In your zone I imagine it was pretty hot through the summer. My GC tends to sort of shut down in the hottest part of my summer. It always grows best in the cooler spring and fall. Give it some time before you decide to replace it. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Sat, Oct 26, 13 at 20:01
| Hi Seil, Our temperatures have been in the 70'-80's for the most part since the end of September. Everything tends to grow now. I purchased about 20 or so own roots this past July, and G.C. is the only one that is not doing anything. I admit to becoming antsy, as this rose is so important for the space. I just wonder if there is something it needs that I am not supplying versus the rose being at fault or just doing its normal thing that seems abnormal in the scheme of things.... or not? If this makes any sense at all... Lynn |
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| Lynn, I have a Golden Celebration I picked up this year. It is a two year old grafted plant. It threw out happy growth soon after I got it, and then promptly sat and sulked for the better part of 3 months. Then one day it decided it was ready to go again and has now bloomed and thrown out a couple of basal canes. It just seems to do whatever it wants, I suppose. Either way mine is being trashed due to poor disease resistance. Josh |
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| I found my Golden Celebration to be a slow starter, but bingo, when year three rolled around, it lost the scrawny long canes, and droopy blooms. It became the wonderful rose it is today, and I wouldn't be without it. Whether grafted or own root, you've got to have patience with this rose, I think. Diane |
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| Wait til next spring--then make a decision after it blooms. Kate |
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| For us, budded, it grew up fast. But our one own-root plant was far slower to develop, so patience is called-for, but the rose is worth it. Jeri |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Sat, Oct 26, 13 at 22:02
| Thank you all for the pep talk and prudent advice. I will monitor its performance until March. Lynn |
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- Posted by jaspermplants 9 az (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 11:47
| I've tried Golden Celebration twice and it just does not seem to like my conditions. Mine died over the summer even though it got plenty of water. It wasn't in an ideal location however, though not a terrible one either. I don't think some Austins like dry, hot climates, and this one seems to be one of those. It is one rose I've given up on, regrettably, because the blooms are to die for. Good luck with yours, and let us know if it does decide to thrive. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 15:14
| Lynn, it's not GC but my own root Jude the Obscure has taken 5 years to get to 3 1/2 feet. If you need it "yesterday" order the grafted and pot up the own root. I feel your frustration.... Susan |
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| My GC has been planted 4-5 years. It is in a spot by a fenceline that gets full, all day sun including the last rays of the sun as it is going down - which, in Texas, is blasting hot. It has the board fence for a little protection and gets watered well and I keep this fenceline free from weeds and well mulched. This plant has not grown that much and doesn't flower that much. It is blooming now - but not a lot. I haven't had time to fertilize the fenceline much this year - just Mills Magic Rose Mix in the spring. I am going to hit it with Carl Pool's BR 61 today [after our 1.5" rain last nite] as recommended by Chamblees for the stingy Graham Thomas. I wish I could get this rose to grow more - maybe I should do a more rigorous fertilizing program on it....Its healthy so I don't want to get rid of it...but wondering if this rose doesn't like quite as much sun - if I should move it? Other Austins on that fenceline, James Galway, Scepter d'Isle, are huge and bloom well. Just Golden Cel is a shrimp. Would really like to see it thrive - but maybe conditions where I have it are not optimum??? Judith |
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| Hmmm, everyone seems to have a vastly different experience with this rose. I, too, am in a hot, dry cllmate and my seven footer GC is growing in a very hot spot, and it seems to love it. So I don't think it's necessarily an Austin that dislikes hot and dry. Of course, Judith's Texas' climate would mean a longer season of blasting heat than what we have up here. It's possible that being own root, vs. grafted might have a big influence on growth, such as Susan's Jude (mine is grafted and between 10 and 12 feet tall--it's going to get a whacking this spring). Judith, is your GC own root? Diane |
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| Diane, when I posted I was trying to recall if that GC is own root or grafted - I cant remember where I bought it - it would have to be from Austin roses, which would be grafted, or from Chamblees, which are own root. I just cant recall - will go look and see if I see a graft, but right now don't think so - so might have bought it from Chamblees, which would make it own root. Maybe this is why its not taking off. The Graham Thomas I bought on sale from a local nursery several years ago - huge, healthy bush. Just doesn't bloom much. Had success when I put on Carl Pools BR 61 like Chamblees told me to.....but haven't done it lately. Lots of people brag on this rose, but other than being a big healthy shrub.......sure is a stingy bloomer - maybe I need to feed it more. Heard its a water hog, so I accommodate it. |
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| Judith, what is Carl Pools BR 61? Is it available nationwide? It sounds interesting, and I'm always interested in a good fertilizer. Diane |
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| My GC is going in the next week or two, beautiful flowers, horrible looking otherwise. It's in a spot I would like to see a healthy looking rose, and this isn't it!! |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9a/SZ11 -Las Vegas, (My Page) on Sun, Oct 27, 13 at 22:55
| Nanadoll, That is what I was wondering. The Golden Celebration that I had previously was grafted and from Regan or David Austin. It was very healthy, and by its second year it was about 5' tall with large, beautiful blooms. Relatively speaking, although this new one is planted at a different home, I have replicated its sun exposure to a certain degree. This new Golden Celebration is own-root. I am following advice and hoping that own root, it just needs a little more time to take off; and it has until March. Unfortunately, if it doesn't, I will have an empty space in the planter, as grafted roses, ideally, go in the ground here by President's Day. I am curious about the Carl Pool's BR61 too??? Poorbutroserich, The rest of the Austin's I have ordered are grafted due to what I have been experiencing with G.C. If I can help it, I do not believe I will order another Austin that is not on Dr. Huey.
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| Carl Pool is a fertilizer - they make severao kinds - for palms, hibiscus and some other products. Distributed by Vitalearth in Gladewater, Tx. I have known about it for years, a good quality product. Had forgotten about it until Chamblees mentioned it when I was asking them what to do about stingy Graham Thomas. The CP BR-61 numbers are 9-58-8 and its water soluble. When I dosed Graham Thomas with it, it wasn't long until I started seeing buds all over the plant. I haven't used it on any of the other roses - but plan to. Its an established fertilizer here in Texas. Am sure it can be ordered from Chamblees - along with some roses! I have seen it advertised on Amazon - I don't think it has a distribution over a lot of states......but ordering it shouldn't be a problem. I tried several fertilizers on Graham Thomas and this was the only one that made the thing set buds. Chamblees advice was right on! |
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