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| I haven't been gardening much this past month. It is typical for me to take a rest from gardening in the fall. I grew up in a climate where the garden shuts down for winter, and I have never adjusted to the year-round garden work idea. In a burst of ambition I planted 3 more trees today, one Pinus edulis (a kind of pinyon pine) and two Pinus eldarica (Afghan pine). Because we are heading into the third year of drought, and because in California a decade of drought is actually quite normal, I decided to plant some trees that are happy with lower rainfall. The douglas oaks I planted last year won't mind either it either. Once these trees are established I can save my water for the roses. In long droughts we will be limited in our ability to water plants, and I have my priorities. Rosefolly |
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| mmmm, I have been sowing pines too - umbrella pine, black pines (although red banded needle blight is a worry) and pinus radiata (a typical shelter belt pine in Norfolk). Have been looking at Holm oaks, hickories and the risky honey locusts (gleditsia - the timber is very interesting). Glad to have another woody confederate on this forum, Rosefolly. Have been trying elms too, in a (probably futile) effort to find one resistant to the elm beetle (have decided on the lacebark elm, U.parviflora) and also keen on pistache trees (although obviously not P.vera which is too tender for East Anglia). Exciting, hey? |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Fri, Nov 1, 13 at 9:55
| That's great about the trees. I bought a Digger Pine that I need to find a spot for. The current lack of rain is really bothering me. Our pond is getting to be too low to pump out of now. I can't use a sprinkler to water. So now at this time when I should be having a bit of a rest I'm wandering around spot watering things that need it the most. |
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| That's very forward-looking and wise. I hadn't heard of an Afghan pine but if it can survive in that habitat it should do really well here. Ingrid |
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| Campanula, trees are wonderful, aren't they? Most people never have a chance to catch tree fever because they take so much space, and these days with postage stamp lots, people barely have room for roses, much less trees. I grumble about having this big piece of land to tend, but the truth is that I am fortunate. Part of the time, I am aware of the fact. Ingrid, I think we were posting at the same time, so I slipped back into the post to add a note to you as well. Everyone is worried about the possibility of long term decreased rainfall, those of us who are gardeners especially so. I've been thinking a lot about making my garden more resilient to lower rainfall. Even California's normal variation is extreme enough to be tough on plants. If the situation gets no worse, I still will not have wasted my efforts. Mendocino Rose, I keep thinking about planting Pinus sabiana (digger pine) but I read somewhere about it being especially flammable, and that scared me off. Probably I'm being silly. All pines are flammable, and there are a number on the property, including a huge Italian stone pine near the house. I'm also considering a second pinyon pine, because they won't produce pine nuts unless there are two. And I am thinking of adding a Juniperus californica, partly because they grow in association with the native pines, and partly because they are so handsome. I'm thinking about repeating the drive that I made with my youngest sister year or two ago up Mount Hamilton on route 130 through the Diablo Range then down into San Jose. It is probably the most gorgeous drive I've done in years, ecosystems changing with the change in elevation. It felt like a drive into California's past. Another sister is coming to visit (I have a number of sisters), and she wants to see, too. Anyway, at a certain elevation the mountainside is covered with these pines. I understood another of their names when I saw them, ghost pines. They look ghostly and gray, as though they would disappear into the mist (only there is no mist because it is very dry). They were native here, too, once upon a time. Maybe I will plant one. Rosefolly |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 0:33
| My guy is going to bring me some special Engelmann Spruce cones/seeds. I am hoping to get at least one to sprout. I picked up some Jeffrey(?) cones from our hotel parking lot when we visited the mountains, hope those seeds will sprout too |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 2:13
| Another tree lover here. Paula, I like the sound of your drought-tolerant trees, and also Suzy's hickories, some of the most splendid trees around. We've been planting acorns recently, as this year's crop is abundant, and the oak seedlings DH dug up and distributed last year fall seem to have failed. I badly want oaks. Our ground is slowly sliding to the bottom of the valley, and the only thing I think that has any hope of holding it is oaks, or similarly deep-rooted trees. Also last year when we were on vacation in Genoa I filled my pockets with acorns of Quercus ilex--is this your holm oak, Suzy?--and when we planted them in pots they germinated beautifully, as oaks do. We have just planted out the babies in the big garden. I have no idea what their cultural requirements are, but since they're a macchia plant it seems worth trying them in our dense clay, as well as in the thin soil over rocks where the unhappy walnut died over the summer. I want to have a ribbon of evergreen trees and shrubs winding up through the garden. I've found that some of the very best trees for our tough conditions are Italian cypresses and Italian pines, both north of their native range but evidently much at home on our sun-blasted slope; and I hope the evergreen oaks will be equally happy. Our little woodland close to the house has been bringing me a lot of pleasure this year. The world needs more trees. Melissa |
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| Another Druid here. I bought my property because of the trees. Three of my favorite were well-established: a blue atlas cedar, an enormous corkscrew willow, and a metasequoia, which is as close to the redwoods where I grew up as one can get outside CA, even tho it is deciduous. Also a smoke tree, two apples, and a huge magnolia. But the real gem are the line of five ancient white oaks. Originally, there were nine, 7 down, one each on the side, form ing a cross and on a perfect N-S alignment. The name of the Street is Arcturus, one of the stars in Ursa Minor, pointing to the North Star. The stumps of the missing trees are still here and I use them to scaffold roses. It's a helluva a lot of leaves to clean up, but absolutely worth it. The 1st oak is not shown in the photo. It grows up thru my deck, from which the picture was taken. I added a blue spruce, a hawthorne, several varieties of cryptomeria, and a river birch. |
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| Holm Oak - quercus ilex - an absolute winner which self seeds in Norfolk. Melissa, I have also had problems transplanting oaks (Quercus robur) because of that long taproot. Have concluded it is best to plant directly, marking the spot, with a little predator protection. We are buying hickories already rooted in those long root-trainers (from an agro-forestry group in Wales), as it is impossible to find viable seed in Europe. Am keen to try pecans too. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 13:25
| Oh, catsrose, that is a noble sight. We have some trees well past the sapling stage down in the woodland corridor, but nothing grand, either there or on the rest of the property. Perhaps one day the farm will have forest giants. But not in my lifetime. To DH and me will go the honor of starting a lot of oak trees, or so I hope, and then not cutting them down. Our cedar of Lebanon, that majestic, inconvenient tree, which if all goes well will one day eat up much of the bottom of the sunny garden, is now definitely taller than me. It was about my height when we got it, I think about six years ago, and is now roughly a foot taller than I am. Every year it puts on two to three inches of new growth. It doesn't sound like much--it isn't much--but the tree is solid as the rock of Gibralter, and there's a certain pleasure in watching its progress. It's all very slow, but in my hopeful moods I think that we are changing the face of the couple of acres of garden we labor so over. Melissa |
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| Spot on, Melissa. There is a cedar of lebanon in our local botanics - a fabulous, fabulous tree. Now, perhaps a deodar too. As for us, we are thinking that a copse of good walnuts (including the hickories) might pay for a college education for our granddaughter's grandchild. It's well above £3000, standing timber price, at the moment, for an 80 year old walnut). Although it is all about the timber for the woodworkers in the family, it is still the green plants and habitats driving me onwards. |
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| Catsrose, In the language of flowers oak signifies hospitality. I planted one (more accurately our oldest son planted one) shortly after we moved into this house which was many years ago but as the ages of oaks are counted, it is still a baby. Cath |
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| I have fond memories of Quercus robar. A handsome pair of the fastigate form were planted at the entrance court of my old college dorm. I admired them greatly. My old roommate (recently retired) became Registrar there, and I went back to visit her from time to time over the years. On my visit a few years ago I noticed that the trees were in decline. At my last visit they were gone. I felt sad. If I thought that English oaks could get by on a low water, dry summer regimen I would plant one here, probably not the fastigate form. There is one thriving at Vintage, but they get a lot more rain than we do. I live 100 miles south of there and the amount of rainfall is quite different, though the summer dry/winter rain pattern is the same. Rosefolly |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Mon, Nov 4, 13 at 0:03
| I'm a tree lover, too. Chose this tiny lot because of the 14 tall oaks that ran across the rear property line - all 60 feet of it, one with a horizontal trunk perfect for a porch swing. Thankfully, they are sturdier oaks than in the front yard. We have some crummy, short-lived oaks in Florida. The slightest breeze, it seems, breaks off branches up in the canopy, and they hang there dead forever. They grow branches like awkward, ugly weeds - too close together with crotches everywhere, very brittle. The tree man was eager to take ours out, but we didn't have the $800. He said the name of it, but I forget. I was surprised they weren't Laurel Oaks which get senile in about 50 years and come crashing down. The good oaks here are Live Oaks. Don't know if we have any. None of ours spread wide because they were growing in a dense forest situation before they built these houses and had hardly any canopy at all when we got here - just height. But I think they're too tall to be Live Oaks. It figures that many here are tree lovers. Tree lovers have good hearts, too. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam (My Page) on Mon, Nov 4, 13 at 1:50
| I will go along with you in spirit because my garden is too small for any more trees, but if I could, I'd be planting trees in abundance. I wanted to go to Shenendoah Natnl. Park because I heard that the park had some of the oldest and most diverse forests on the East coast. I enjoyed those old forests so much. It's so different than the coast redwood forests I adore near to home. Here near Los Angeles, there are some older live oaks but nothing much is very old. I was adoring some old oak trees in a preserved forest in Denmark. The girl at the Viking museum there said most of the old Danish oaks had been cut down to build ships long ago. England must be a great place to see magnificent old oak trees. I was sad to see the pictures of fallen trees in the last storm. The great Italian cypress which was planted in 1963 by my parents is looking fine now. A great big sundial now. I can tell the hour by where the shadow falls across the street. The other large trees are a Jacaranda which has just finished blooming and a Golden Ash both planted in 1963. The leaves have not turned golden on the Ash yet. I love when those leaves turn yellow and begin to flutter down in the cool breeze to the music of my windchime. I feel very special about it. There was one day when a group of butterflies passed through when the leaves were falling like that and I was so moved by the beauty of it that I started to cry. Also there was a time when I saw a white egret fly through a shaft of sunlight in the silence of Muir Woods and I felt like I was in the presence of God in a natural cathedral. These profound moments have all happened by trees or in a forest. Other beautiful forests I have been especially touched by were Yosemite National Park, Smoky Mtns. National Park and Shenandoah National Park as I mentioned earlier. I am still wanting to go to Yellowstone National Park. Whoever gives trees a place is giving this experience to someone else. I always feel grateful for the generous gift of trees. There is a beautiful song about a tree by Handel |
Here is a link that might be useful: Lovesong to a tree
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 4, 13 at 2:05
| A beautiful recording by the London Symphony Orchestra with natural scenery. I also like the performance of this song by counter tenor David Daniels. I saw him sing this live at UCLA's Royce Hall a few years ago and it was truly masterful and angelic. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Handel's Largo by the London Symphony Orchestra
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