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| Found this rose on Help Me Find. It doesn't look like it is offered anywhere for commerce, but there is one photo of the plant that is reported to be at the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. Can anyone confirm this? Also, while Vintage seemed to be a large collection of OGR both unique and rare, is the SJHRG the biggest collection of OGR in the US? I have seen many a rare rose photographed there. Thanks guys! Josh |
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| I always wonder about roses presented with names that don't seem to be available elsewhere. That's the problem with a lot of the antiques -- many were rediscovered as unnamed foundlings, and matches with old descriptions were sought. When the common possibilities get exhausted and people have to venture into the obscure or "probably extinct" then you have to wonder -- did nothing previous match up because this really is a long-lost rose, or are you looking at a seedling that arose on its own? If the latter is the case, then of COURSE you won't find a rose matching its description -- it was never formally described. Well, whatever it truly is, the pictures do show a pretty rose. If it's a nicely-scented China, that's a bonus -- I want more of those! I know mine are babies, but I'm starting to wonder how 'Napoleon' and 'Archduke Charles' and 'Louis Philippe' (if I really do have that one...still kinda on the fence about if I got the right rose) get listed as being 3/4 for fragrance. Yes, there's a candy-like scent if you catch it when the sun hits it, but it's so fleeting. I look forward to smelling "Bermuda Spice" again, and 'Ducher' when it comes in Spring. Josh, if you figure out how to get one for yourself, put me on the list for its first rooted cutting. :-) ~Christopher |
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| While no guaranty the plant actually IS there right now, this is the "catalog" of what was growing in that garden as of the most recent update. There is a search window for you to enter the name of the rose. You might find more information if you only enter a partial name. It is listed as being there under the name Bengal Animee. Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: San Jose Rose Garden catalog
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| Chris, If you like fragrant Chinas I highly suggest 'Cramoisi Supeurier.' It's quite vigorous and has beautiful blooms of red and deep pink. The fragrance to me is of fresh bananas. I think the only way I could obtain a Bengal Animating was if someone from the SJHRG were to provide one for me. It does not seem readily available otherwise. If I am so lucky as to get my paws on one, I owe you a band for sure! Josh |
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| Mr. Rupert, Thank you! If only I lived closer so I could visit the garden there. Josh |
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| You're welcome, Josh. I do live closer (at least, closer than Texas!) but it doesn't make it a whole lot easier to visit. Kim |
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| Mr. Rupert, I also have a question for you! I received a band of Annie Laurie McDowell from Chris that he had purchased from Long Ago Roses. She's a tiny thing, and when I received her she was quite unhappy at being shipped. Since receiving her, all of her leaves have wilted and it appears some of her little canes are dying back. I am curious as to how you would suggest breathing some life into her. I would hate to lose such a great rose. Thanks again! Josh |
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| It seems to be a very pretty rose but, given that it's only a spring bloomer, it's not so out of the way beautiful that I would consider growing it in my climate. I'm happy to have Burbank, though, another rather rare China which is even now blooming. Ingrid |
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| Ingrid, Burbank looks great! Is it fragrant at all? Josh |
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| Ingrid, I wonder if that's an error on HelpMeFind -- or if the "once-blooming" description refers only to the one at the SJHRG. The references describe it as repeat-blooming. :-) ~Christopher |
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| The question, I think, is whether this is a CHINA, or a HYBRID CHINA. The former would be virtually continuous-blooming. The HMF text says: HYBRID CHINAS, for the most part, were the result of first-generation crosses between imported China roses and European roses (such as Gallicas). They aren't remontant. If this is really a Chinese import, I'd guess it'd probably be a China, and remontant. We need to ask Jill Perry. Jeri |
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| Josh, for me Burbank has very little if any scent. The flowers tend to hang their heads, especially in the heat. It is a free-flowering and very healthy plant for me. Ingrid |
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| Jill says she will take a look at it next week, but reports that her notes indicate it is very similar to 'Hermosa.' FWIW, 'Hermosa' ("Armosa") is classed as either a Bourbon or a China/Bengale, Parentage is un-recorded, so there's no real way to know whether it was bred in France or brought from China. Jeri |
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| I have heard back from Jill Perry (Curator of Roses, San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, Guadelupe Park and Gardens, San Jose, CA). She's sent a photo of the rose, with the comment that it is, after all, not much like 'Hermosa,' but resembles more closely 'Old Blush.' (So, could be a sport or seedling of that, or maybe another quietly-imported Chinese garden rose.) It is definitely remontant -- so perhaps the HMF record should be changed to reflect that it is a China, rather than a Hybrid China??? (See below, photo by Jill Perry.) Jeri 'Bengale Animee' / 'Bengale Animating': |
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| See the comments section on the HelpMeFind page for this rose...I initiated a discussion of sorts about that very topic. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Bengal Animating' at HelpMeFind
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| Christopher, I notice in the discussions there a reference to it having some blue tones. This rose somewhat resembles 'Old Blush'. Jeri |
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| Jeri, I had suspicions it was not once blooming after all. The date of introduction overlaps with the first known instance of the original Bourbon class roses, in which one could be convinced that it was a Hybrid China in the sense that it has Bourbon behind it. In either case (China or Bourbon-China hybrid) it should be remonant. Considering that it presumably was first introduced in England as 'Knights Animating' I believe it would be a stretch to state that the first Bourbons would share in its genetic background, due to the very small window in which they were discovered and this rose was introduced. I can support the hypothesis that it could be an 'Old Blush X Old Blush' seedling, given the similarity of the two roses. Genetic comparison could clear this up. Josh |
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| Yes. If ONLY genetic testing were more readily available. It wouldn't answer ALL questions, but some, like this, it could really help a lot. Jeri |
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