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| My husband and I have a very pink rose garden, and we recently decided to shake things up by adding one or more yellows. We prefer antiques (he is almost monomaniacal on the subject), which seems to leave us with a pretty limited selection as far as yellows go. We're considering Alliance Franco-Russe, Etoile de Lyon, and Perle des Jardins. So my question is, which of these is the strongest yellow and the least prone to fading in the sun? (We get a LOT of sun here--hostile, mean, angry, blaring sun.) Or is there a stronger contender out there that we should consider instead? (We only have room for shrubs at the moment.) Or do you think we really would be better served by a modern, like Julia Child or Anson Jones? If the yellow Teas are just going to turn into washy, dingy, bleached-out balls all summer long, then maybe it's time we branched out? Thanks for your help!
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| Until the introduction of Foetida in the yellow types, "yellow" was pale and faded like old floor wax. I'm not disparaging them, simply stating that if it is real "yellow" you seek, Teas aren't the way to go. While some may start off yellow-ish, they will fade to buff in heat and brilliant sun. Julia Child is a very good rose, but it is also going to fade much paler, pretty quickly in heat. Yellow, unfortunately, is not a strong color in roses. Anson Jones looks like a pretty rose, but the yellow is obtained from Mrs. Oakley Fisher, an apricot which fades pretty quickly. If you're looking for a brighter, more colorfast yellow, perhaps you might do better considering Nacogdoches, or something like it. If the paler yellow tones which are going to fade out to off white to very pale yellow or buff are OK, many of the antiques will suffice. It all depends upon what you feel will satisfy you. Kim |
Here is a link that might be useful: Nacogdoches
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| How much of a problem is blackspot in your area? If not too bad (or not the type this rose is susceptible to), then how about the most yellow of just about all old roses, R. foetida 'Persiana'? She gets more yellow in the sun! No fading whatsoever for this rose. But I hear she can fall prey to blackspot. A few roses have gotten blackspot in my garden but so far not Persiana (although I expected it as dire as the warnings were). I just LOVE this rose. Have 2 of 'em. Yellow, yellow, YELLOW but even so it goes well with the cool tones of many old roses. Once bloomer though in case that doesn't appeal to you. A couple other once blooming old roses that are yellow are William's Double Yellow, and the favorite of many travellers across the US, Harison's Yellow. There are pictures of all of them on HMF. I grow all three! Another you might want to consider is Marechal Niel. I've never grown him so can't comment on whether the yellow fades, but this rose is supposed to be a heat-lover and is ultra gorgeous IMHO. But many clones on the market are virused, so I'd ask the seller if contemplating this variety if they have the clean version from Florida Southern. Melissa |
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| Kim is right on about Nacogdoches. I live 20 miles from there - the story is, it was found at an old motel - which I have seen and there are a few amazing roses there. It is a bright yellow that does not fade. I noticed one at an abandoned drive thru restaurant the other day - completely healthy and full of blooms. I love mine. Another good one that I just planted in the spring is Sparkle & Shine - bright yellow, no fading. |
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| Julia Child opens a strong mustard (well, maybe that's an exaggeration) and fades to a pleasing (to me), saturated lemon (not white). Personally, I think Charlotte is also a very nice rose, though it does fade a bit. But if you already have mostly old roses, then other old roses in yellow shades might be more harmonious. Personally, I think the pale primrose lemons and creams of the yellows of the older roses, such the ones you mention (Perle des Jardin, Etoile de Lyon, and Alliance Franco Russe etc.,) are incredibly attractive, faded or no, especially when combined with a delicious fragrance. (Not to mention Celine Forestier, and the early blooming Banksia, or Mermaid and its sport Happenstance.) The brilliant Chinese enamel of Foetida is also very wonderful. You have a such happy problem. Why not try some of these beauties out and see what pleases you? |
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| Just thought of another......I bought a band of Golden Wings from Vintage and it is now blooming - supposedly a heavy bloomer - its a single but has a pretty large bloom. Its a pretty medium yellow, might work really well for you. |
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| Try the yellow asians such as hugonis, xanthina, earldomensis, primula, cantabridgiensis, ecae etc. - the simple single paler yellow form (although Helen Knight ecae is a bright, clear yellow, as is Golden Chersonese) seems to go rather well with old rose pinks. Then there is harisonii - obvious, but no worse for that. Or hemisphaerica. |
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| As I've traveled around TX, the yellow I've seen over and over in great billowing bounty is "Yellow Lady Banks." (R. banksia lutea) It may not be the official "Yellow Rose Of Texas" (and anyway, she was a woman) but it's sure ubiquitous there, and perfectly gorgeous. The other thing I think I would opt for in your conditions is 'Marechale Niel,' which won't grow well for me in fog-land, but is a wonderful thing. And I really do like 'Etoile de Lyon,' tho it is a soft yellow, rather than a bouncy one. Jeri
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| Yesterday we were in town in east Tennessee, and a rose hedge that I had seen as white all spring and summer long, well, darned if the new roses there weren't opening pure yellow. Could have knocked me over with a feather. I have seen a lot of roses change color with the seasons, but that hedge beat all the rest in being a two-faced game changer. (It looked better white against that particular shade of red brick.) |
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| Rosette Delizy just occurred to me which is a blend of yellow with deeper colors around the edges, which in summer it fades to more of an overall pale yellow. It's been a great rose in my hot, dry garden, always covered with leaves and seems to tolerate the heat quite well as long as it's watered and mulched. Tonight I'll post some rose pictures, and RD will be one of them. It never seems to have disease problems and the colors blend well with other old roses. Ingrid |
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| Ingrid -- You're right. At least in CA, Rosette Delizy is one of the most disease-resistant and generous roses we know. In your heat, I suspect it is a lovely pastel. In my cooler temps, it's quite vividly colored -- but it looks great either way. It's a Nabonnand rose, and a winner. And Antique Rose Emporium has sold it for years, which probably indicates that it's a good TX rose, eh? Jeri |
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