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| After growing Austin roses for a number of years in Texas, I am starting to observe that they don't thrive in all day sunlight, including the hot blasting afternoon sun we get here. Wollerton Old Hall is doing well in all day sun but I have had problems with some others. The ones I have behind my horse barn, which gets shade from 2-3pm on, seem to do fine. I am wondering if anyone else has had this experience with the Austins. I love them, will continue to grow them, but maybe I need to rethink where I plant them. Can anyone offer any thoughts on this? Thanks........ |
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| In my climate there is really no rose that wouldn't benefit from afternoon shade. The roses are less stressed and the blooms don't fry as easily. However, there are several Austins that do tolerate more sun such as Bishop's Castle, Sophy's Rose, and especially Carding Mill. Ingrid |
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| This is my first year to Austin's and I only have three, my GC and Evelyn have shade after 3 but my Heritage gets full sun all day and doesn't seem bothered, her blooms do not fry and she always looks great. I will be planting a few more next spring and those will be with the one getting shade after 3. I live in the same part of Texas as you so we have the same climate. |
This post was edited by boncrow66 on Sat, Oct 11, 14 at 8:44
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I can say that Lady Emma Hamilton does not appreciate afternoon sun here. In my former garden, she was close to brick (my house ), and in the current one she isn't. Same result though, and she simply doesn't like it. (There isn't much shade at all in my current garden. Everything gets more than 8 hours of full, blazing sun.) |
This post was edited by brittie on Sun, Oct 12, 14 at 11:45
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| Most of my roses would do better with some afternoon shade. And when it gets too hot for too long, most of my roses shut down--even if they get some afternoon shade-- and wait for cooler weather to come. One exception: I have a short hedge of red Home Runs that get very little sun until the later afternoon sun hits them. They seem to thrive in that spot. In other cases, it changes from year to year. I remember one hot summer bragging that my Molineux seemed unstoppable. But the very next summer, Molineux went semi-dormant when the hot weather arrived. I don't know the reason for the difference. And in reverse, I remember my Peter Mayles, which get mostly afternoon sun, not blooming much one hot summer, but the following summer--also hot--they managed to keep on putting out some blooms (not a lot, but regularly 2-3 blooms per plant) fro most of the summer. I really can't explain the differences, though if given a choice, I'd probably plant any rose in a spot where it gets some afternoon shade. Kate |
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| I should add that when I said LEH didn't do well in afternoon heat, I meant that she had burned foliage, didn't thrive, and really just grew backwards. I'm fine with stuff not blooming when it's 100+, I would just like the plants to stay alive. lol Munstead Wood was planted near LEH in my former garden, and that rose didn't have the same problems with afternoon sun. I'm sure it matters that my climate is extremely humid. Dry heat would likely fry most plants in afternoon sun. |
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| Both of my Austins, Golden Celebration and Graham Thomas, are water hogs and wilt visibly when it's very hot and dry. I really think that most of the Austins, having been bred in England, really prefer their cooler and more damp climate. |
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| It is hot, hot, hot and lots of sun where I live. I grow mostly Austins. Since we have continuous days over 100 degrees in the summer and getting up over 113 for a few days in a row, it is a bit warm. It "cools" down to the 80's at night. Even now we are hitting close to 100 degrees. So, that being said, my roses do tend to get a bit stressed in the summer. Ones that do well with afternoon shade? Brother Cadfael- loves the afternoon shade. Gets very tall. Puts on a good first blush but after that is sporadic until the temps cool down in November. Beautiful flowers and fabulous scent. Evelyn--I have her in full sun. Great first bloom in Spring. After that, sporadic and the flowers pretty much shrink up. Most flowers in our heat fry if you don't pick them. I think she would benefit from afternoon shade. Jude the Obscure--He is pretty obscure in our heat. I have had him for several years and I am tired of him not doing much. He is getting shovel pruned this winter. Mary Webb--fades in the sun. Pretty flowers. Not as prolific as the newer Austins. Peach Blossom--I have her leaning against my arbor. She gets very tall, (over 6 feet with some canes over 10 feet). Tends to always have blooms on her. She is the first and last to bloom. Makes lots of hips for the birds to enjoy. Ambridge Rose--fabulous first blush. Gets a bit stressed in the sun and heat. I find he needs more fertilizer than most of the Austins. Emily--stays extremely small (about a foot). Not too many blooms. Maybe a half dozen a year or so. Probably would do better in a pot. I keep her as she has the same name as my great grandmother. Had her for 15 plus years. Can't get her anymore. Lady Alex of Kent--gets pretty big with long canes. Prolific bloomer. Love her. This is just her first year. Can't wait to see what she will do her second year. I have to keep her tied up so she doesn't attack people who come up my walkway! Takes the sun with no thought at all. Great rose. Pretty Jessica. Gets to be about 4--5 feet tall. Takes full sun. Always in bloom. Few thorns. LOVE her! She is also in her first year and can't wait to see what she does next year. Munstead Wood. Fabulous rose! Color doesn't fade in the sun and heat. Always in bloom and this is his first year! Tends to get a bit big and some long canes. Love, love, love this rose. Non DA roses that do well in the heat? I grow several bred by Ralph Moore. Amazing roses. Take the heat and still go on. Love his roses. He has now passed but you can still find his work. The university in Austin Tx (I think it is Austin) has a lot of his roses that he gave to them upon his death. |
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| Almost every rose I have, Austin or not, does better with late afternoon shade. 7 or 8 hours of direct sun seems ideal, better than 12 or 14. By late afternoon perhaps the rose has gotten its fill of sunlight and needs recovery time, even here where summers are relatively mild. |
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