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Annie Laurie McDowell enjoying autumn

Posted by roseseek z 10, SoCal (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 1:49

Yesterday was quite warm and a bit humid. Annie Laurie McDowell's scent was detectable many feet before the gate admitting me to her presence. It had been hot and windy, and she was ready for a "drink", but the blooms were sumptuous! Today, also windy with periods of rain just a few miles away on the freeway, and rather cold, she held up for me to make it to her with the camera. Two weeks before Thanksgiving and she's still pumping out her long panicles of wonderfully scented flowers on her always smooth limbs. I NEED somewhere to grow her this well in MY garden! Kim

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If Annie would survive for me I would grow her in your honour. You are amazing. While early in my endeavours my first really hardy hybrid will be called roseseek. Just hope it isn't a striped orange LOL


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Thanks, sir! I appreciate it! Ironically, there is a rose named for me and it IS striped, and mossed! Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Kim Rupert on Help Me Find


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How I wish I could get hold of an Annie Laurie McD...bart


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bart_2010 where do you live? I had a forum friend send some cutting and it looks like I'll have more than one take. If I do I can send you one, or we can trade if you have something I could get a sucker or some cuttings from. I don't mind sharing :) Just let me know! Unless this rose is not sharable yet, if it is, please let me know! I don't want top be in trouble just trying to help!

This post was edited by Alana7bSC on Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 10:34


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You'll be enjoying it too if we get some good rains!

That's a truly lovely rose Kim. How do you think she might like cascading from a tree? I ask this because my Jasmina has done so well in her tree and I have another small tree available.


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Ah this makes me sad that my Annie might not make it. The tiny little thing is slowly dying back and not pushing any new growth. I don't know what to do for her.

Such a beautiful rose Mr. Rupert! Well done, sir. You really outdid yourself with this one. I hope it will stand the test of time as some of the fine roses from the 1800s have.

Josh


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beautiful form


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Those are stunning photos.

Cath


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Bart_2010, Try Burlington Roses. Burling may not have it in stock, but she usually has a wait list.

Josh, I am sorry your ALM is not taking off. If you cannot revive yours, sometime in the Spring, if my cane diameter and growth etc. is suitable, I would be more than happy to send you a cutting along with your cutting(s) for Allen Cemetery.

I have been shocked by the fact that my ALM is VERY healthy, and in just under two months, has literally doubled in size. The summer will be the test that I hope it passes with flying colors. It was love at first sight for me in regards to this rose, and I can only hope that my bush becomes even close to the health and beauty I see on Kim's images.

Lynn

This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 14:37


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 14:24

Gorgeous roses and photos, Kim!


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Thank you! With the increased water (due to too much heat, no rain, aridity, etc.), Annie took off, shooting out five and six foot canes in all directions. Nearly all of them were tipped with those marvelous panicles of buds and blooms. It hurt to have to prune her back to reduce the wind resistance so she wouldn't be torn off that wall. I guess if the tree was large enough, she might work being allowed to work herself through it. She isn't as "limp" as Renae, who will drape herself out of trees. Annie has more "backbone", though the weight of the flowers will help encourage her to cascade.

I'm sorry I don't know what else to suggest to help your struggling band. When I root her here, she calluses and roots right down the line and then continues growing well as long as I keep her disbudded. Burlington has her and hopefully will keep her propagated. Long Ago has her and I know she's working to produce her, too. I have to check with Heirloom to see how the large Flat Rate box of cuttings I mailed them several months ago are doing. If I had room and the County of Los Angeles and California weren't such aggravations to deal with, I'd love to be able to sell her directly, but that opens too much of a Pandora's Box with quarantine areas for various pests. Inspection and licensing costs are prohibitive for one or a few varieties on a limited scale. Otherwise, it could be fun! Kim


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A really beautiful rose, Kim, and I wish mine were prospering. It seems reasonably healthy but the rate of growth is infinitesimal. Sometimes I think the roses you desire most like to thumb their noses at you.

Ingrid


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I am going to have to check and make sure I am still on the list for Annie. I sure love the way she looks and have my space planned so she can be a show stopper out front


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  • Posted by fogrose zone 10/sunset 17 (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 21:50

Kim, I'm swooning from those photos of your rose child. My two bands from Burlington are in 2 gallon pots and growing slowly but surely. Keeping my fingers crossed for success.

Thanks for the reminder of what's to come.

Diane


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I'm glad Diane! Thank you, I'm glad they're developing! Kim


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Lynn,

I appreciate the generous offer, but as ALMD is still patented and licensed out to other retailers I would not feel comfortable with taking that revenue away from Mr. Rupert. If she does not pull through I will be happy to get in line along with everyone else to receive a new band!

Mr. Rupert,

I took a look at her today and all hope does not look lost. I will keep babying her and hope she will be able to revive from my abuse. (I don't coddle new roses nearly enough to ensure their survival)

Josh


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Josh,

Wow, you definitively answered a question that was in the back of my mind. I have read where folks on this forum and others send cuttings of newer roses, ALM included. I rather naively assumed it was okay as the goal would not be to sell, propagate a new rose or mass produce it etc. Thank you. I definitely would not want to do anything illegal or infringe upon a person's rights.

Lynn


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Mine took its own sweet time getting to planting size but almost doubled in size after I planted it this summer. Ask me if I'm looking forward to what it will do this coming summer! Great pictures, Kim.


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Gorgeous blossoms! I'm enjoying the baby ALMcD that I received from Linda Loe at Long Ago Roses in September. It was very small, but I'm happy to say that it's healthy and putting on new growth - it's about a foot tall now. I hope yours makes it, Josh. I'm so looking forward to blooms like yours, Kim. Lou


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Thank you! You can see what I saw in that seedling from them. Plus, she doesn't bite and that is a welcome relief! What the photos can't demonstrate is how incredibly sweetly scented she is. The plant is a joy to groom. All it takes is either shaking the canes by hand so even the fading peduncles fall from the stems, or blasting the plant out with a strong stream of water, which is extremely beneficial where there just aren't the necessary rains to do it for you. Kim


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I echo Bart's question. Kim, is ALM distributed in Europe?


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Yes! Annie Laurie McDowell has been available from Bierkreek in The Netherlands for the past two years and their associate, RosaPlant in Poland. I'm sure there will also be other sources who work with Hans VanHage at Bierkreek. You should email him there, and/or Kamila Rakowska-SzlÄ…zkiewicz at RosaPlant. RosaPlant obtains Bierkreek's roses for resale. Both are lovely people with whom to deal. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Annie Laurie McDowell at Bierkreek


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Kim, from reports you've heard, some folks might be interested in the coldest zone you've heard that it grows well.

I'm interested in z8 Wrightwood, Ca for example


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So, I think I had half of a blond moment. The first question stands, but it would seem if she does well in the Netherlands and Poland, she should thrive in Wrightwood. I was going to bring her up but I could swear I read that she didn't like cold, perhaps I read that for a different rose of yours.


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From listings on HMF, Mike Fitts 5b; Teresa Martin Chicagoland 5a; Jay Jay in Drenthe, Netherlands; RosaPlant in Nasielsk, Poland; Freiburgbalkon in Baden-Württemberg, Germany - ( Zone: 8a ); Seil 6a (Michigan); Catsrose 6b; Tammy's Tennessee Garden 6b. I don't know precisely the zones for the other European gardens, but they are significantly colder than where I am, so to me they are COLD. But, it appears 5a is the coldest so far. No one has reported anything directly to me to the contrary. Kim


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Annie Laurie McDowell is a Renae seedling. Somewhere in the "mists of time", someone reported Renae was not fully "hardy" for colder environments, though I've never heard anyone complain of losing her to "cold". Again, from HMF, 7a is the coldest I can find documentation of Renae being grown. Not even Ralph Moore knew where the "not sufficiently cold hardy" condemnation came from, but as with MANY pieces of information, it has become accepted theology. Perhaps you're remembering that and making that connection? Either MIGHT freeze in severe situations and unusual conditions, not that any other rose, exposed to similar extremes wouldn't. Kim


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Thank you very much, Kim. Bierkreek does keep popping up. It's a pity that like almost all European growers they bud their roses, but they had an interesting variety list the last time I looked. Also helpful is the gentle, unexpressed reminder to check HelpMeFind. I don't use it as a reference as much as I could.
Melissa


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You're welcome Melissa. Lagomorphmom, none of my roses are as "miffy" about cold as "I" am. Mike Lowe reported both Lynnie and Little Butterfly survived hash winters in his 5b garden with no winter protection and no damage. Paul Zimmerman reported both of the above withstood 9 degree ice storms on "exposed tables" in four inch pots at Ashdown with no damage. Chill Out! Roses in Alaska grows Lauren in her 5a garden, though I don't have any idea what protection, if any, she provides. Too Cute is listed on HMF as being grown in a few 5a and 5b gardens. Personally, I'm not comfortable in much less than a zone 8 garden, so I am quite satisfied with the hardiness of my seedlings which have all resulted from zones 8 - 10 breeding! Kim


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Sadly, Annie Laurie McD wasn't a success this year at Bierkreek (I know; I'm ordering from them and asked). I'll try the Polish company ,maybe next year; for this year, I've already got "too many" new roses!!! (that is, I'd feel way too guilty spending more money...) Still, Melissa, I'd urge you to make inquiries, so they will know that Annie IS in demand and will keep on trying to cultivate it so they can offer it for sale.
As for Kim's roses in general, well, I only have Carlin's Rhythm and Little Butterfly, but both seem very hardy and carefree (they are both very young plants). My impression of Annie is just that it might be one of those roses that has a longer "juvenile period" or something ,kind of like Blush Noisette,and therefore might be a bit more vulnerable in it's first few years than some of it's fellows.
I don't mind grafted roses at all!; in fact, in my rough conditions, they can be easier to get started than some of the own-root ones. I find that many(most?) of my roses,if they are happy, "go own-root" on their own anyway in a few years,as long as the graft is buried a bit,so I wind up getting the best of both worlds...bart


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Climbers, in general, do tend to have longer juvenile periods. Even budded, in trials, bushes are given two years, climbers three years, to strut their stuff. Own root, smaller, less mature plants will, of course, require longer to catch up. No matter what kind they are, but some will require longer than others. Kim


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I do so want Annie for my garden. I must get on Burleng's list. Those photos are wonderful.


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I had a lovely dinner with Burling last night just before we joined Jeri and Clay Jennings at the VCRS meeting in Camarillo for the Propagation Event we were involved with presenting. We discussed Annie Laurie McDowell, and a number of other roses and projects. The delay has been the need for her to allow her mother plants to recuperate from the heavy harvesting of cuttings the demand for the rose has required. She's working on producing what's needed and there is a plan for next season to provide all the material possible for production, so please be patient! The situation should improve dramatically by summer 2014. Kim


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