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Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Sat, Nov 7, 09 at 5:37
Well, we are finally here in our new old house but, the refurbishment is taking a lot longer than I thought it would. I have only now got the computer unpacked and connected.
All my roses and other plants are still sitting in their pots. Luckily, they still seem happy!
One of the biggest disappointments this year, is discovering that I cannot smell the tea roses.
Of all the roses that arrived last year, all have beautiful scents except Papa Gontier, Archduke Joseph and the china rose Archduke Charles. This, to me is a huge drawback.
Does anybody, who also cannot usually smell the tea roses, know of any that they can smell?
Perhaps there are some that have other roses in their make-up, and that scent comes through.
Daisy |
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RE: Tea rose scent
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| Daisy, I can smell the tea scent but wonder if you might be able to smell a couple that don't smell like "tea" to me. Try smelling Duchesse de Brabant and Devoniensis. Neither of these smell like tea to me. DdB smells much more like raspberries and Devoniesis is very sweet--not at all like the scent other tea roses have. Hope this helps. Jeff |
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| I'm one of those who can't smell 'tea' either. :-[ I can smell DdB, Devoniensis, Clementina Carbonieri and Tipsy Imperial Concubine. |
RE: Tea rose scent
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| Another one who can't smell tea roses with the exception of Duchesse de Brabant and Mme. Joseph Schwartz. I did detect a very faint scent on Mme. Melanie Willermoz yesterday. In comparison to the old roses and Austins the teas are nothing to write home about when it comes to my nose, but their almost everblooming habit and many other positive attributes make them invaluable in my hot, dry garden. Ingrid |
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| Not only can I smell tea roses, I want to climb right into the blossom and live there, breathing deeply until fully intoxicated. However, I get almost no scent from Papa Gontier and very little from Archduke Joseph/Mons Tillier, and just a faint sweet scent from China rose Archduke Charles. Are you growing any other Teas, Daisy? Mrs. B. R. Cant and Mme Lambard are very strongly scented, as are Duchesse de Brabant and Mrs. Joseph Schwartz, which smell to me just like a tin of black tea. I read that it's the same chemical in the fragrance, so it's not just our imaginations linking tea and tea roses. My sense of smell is not great, due to years of allergies. I'm really lucky that I can smell the teas. Oh, to only have one to bury my nose into right now...
Anita |
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Like Anita, I have lost a lot of ability to smell due to years of allergies.
I can smell very few Teas -- the ones I DO smell are the ones sometimes called "Sweet Tea."
I used to be able to smell Archduke Charles, though, and could find there a fragrance like fresh Oolong Tea -- but now, notsomuch. Same for Lady Hillingdon.
Devoniensis, though, that is one you should try. It's a beauty, too. AND English-bred, which is not common. OH -- The scent I can dependably smell is musk. Moschata.
I never miss that one! Jeri |
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| My sense of smell has also been changed by years of allergy, but it's changed in the other direction - too sensitive! I can smell Tea roses and love their fragrance, but some other old roses are too much for me. I'm still too new to the rose scene to know for sure which ones those are, but I think maybe the Damask roses are some of them - really intense. I've read before on this forum of people being unable to register fragrance from certain classes of roses and find that fascinating. It was so interesting to read in Anita's post about the same chemical being involved in the fragrance of tea and of Tea roses - I have always felt that Tea roses smelled like tea, at least to me. As regards your problem, Daisy, I would take Jeri's advice about Devoniensis - it's a LOVELY rose! Also, as has also been mentioned, Duchesse de Brabant - it's fragrance is very strong to me. Laura |
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| I had the bush form of Devoniensis up north in a container. I'll have to try to find it again. Most places offer only the climber. |
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That's because the bush is such a weakling.
We're really curious to see if the one we've collected, which is now in the Sacramento City Cemetery, is the bush, or the climber.
The very old plant we collected grows as a small tree. (See below) Jeri |
Here is a link that might be useful: Devoniensis
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| Laura, your post really struck a chord because I have the same problem of a too-sensitive nose. There's no way I can have Damask of Glendora in the house any more and the other day when I buried my nose in a large bloom of Grandmother's Hat I came up sneezing. I was miffed! Fortunately not all fragrant roses have that effect on me, but still.... Ingrid |
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| I'm blessed with a good nose for rose fragrances, but I was wondering if 'Mrs. B.R. Cant' doesn't fall in the category of a Tea that those who can't smell Teas can smell? It has a good deal happening in its fragrance that isn't Tea scent. I don't currently have a bloom available to check, but I recall 'Arciduc Joseph' as having a good scent--is my memory deceiving me? Melissa |
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Thank-you all for your suggestions.
I forgot to say, I do have Duchess de Brabant, and can smell it without any problem. It does smell a bit like raspberries. Lovely.
It looks like I am going to have Devoniensis, as so many of you have suggested it. Jeri, that photograph is amazing!!!
I like the look of Clementina Carbonieri, but I will have to think about where to put her, as I understand she frizzles in hot sun.
Mrs Joseph Schwantz I believe, may be a sport of Duchess de Brabant which I love, so that's another good one.
Two others that I want, are Mrs B.R.Cant and Marechal Niel.
Can anybody tell me that they can definitely smell those, even though they cannot smell tea roses?
Thanks Daisy
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| Melissa, I've never been able to smell Mrs. BR Cant, but a friend told me she thought it smelt like "old ladies bath powder." -G- Jeri |
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| Jeri and Melissa, for some reason my smeller doesn't make a great connection with the cognitive part of my brain. So identifying with words exactly what I am smelling often escapes me. All I know for sure is that Mrs B R Cant is strong but softer than Damask. (And definitely not like old lady's powder!) It's probably raspberry. Now that I'm watering her more I'll have to go out and give her another try. Everything else is better so maybe fragrance is, too. Daisy, definitely get Mrs BR (and the others, too.) She takes up a lot of real estate so put her in a corner or let her overlap your neighbors' property. If you let them keep the flowers on their side, I'm sure they won't mind. :)) Sherry |
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| Daisy, I had thought about acquiring Marechal Niel from Vintage Roses but Gregg Lowery of Vintage tells me it's an incredibly fussy and demanding rose, which would try the patience of a saint. Not being the saintly type and having a not huge amount of patience, I decided to look elsewhere. I chose Pleasant Hill Cemetery, a mystery climber that is supposed to bloom constantly and has very pliable canes. Also Clair Matin, which I suppose might be available in your part of the world, although not a Tea. Ingrid |
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Sherry, I personally gave up long ago trying to identify fragrances.
If I can smell it at all, I am overjoyed.
It is enough. Jeri |
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'Maréchal Niel' is one of the few roses among those I grow that I would recommend getting grafted, at least if you want a good shot at succeeding with it. If you have clay soil and plenty of warmth and sun plus mild winters you might do well with it. If the Maréchal gets the conditions he wants he's a vigorous, undemanding rose. Another excellent large Tea-Noisette with big globular yellow blooms, more golden than those of 'Maréchal Niel', is 'Duchesse d'Auerstaedt'. My plant of this rose is also grafted. Both these roses are Tea-scented, at least to my nose.
Melissa |
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Melissa, I think you are right.
Even the older texts say that M.N. succeeds best as a budded plant.
I should get a "Dr. Hinman," (a vigorous collected 'Marechale Niel') and give it to Burling Leong (Burlington Roses), and ask her to bud it for me.
Maybe on Fort. Jeri |
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| Well, here's a curve ball! This morning I dashed out to get a whiff of Mrs B R Cant. To my amazement, she smelled like a peach - unquestionably. Who can explain this one?? Sherry |
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Well, that's certain. I have just got to have a peachy Mrs B.R.Cant!
I have wanted a Marechal Niel. Until now, I haven't lived anywhere warm enough for it. I believe Peter Beales has grafted ones. After all these years of longing for it, I have got to at least give it a try. I just hope I can smell it. However, Duchess d'Auerstaedt sounds lovely too. Perhaps I can find room for both.
Daisy |
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I'm able to detect only a moderate degree of fragrance in Tea class roses from 4 to 7 typically on a scale of 10, with 1 being more fragrant.
The types of scent vary quite a bit with brewed black tea being a scent note in most, but not all.
-stone fruit is a common secondary note.
The Tea roses that smell the best to me are:
'Anna Olivier' 7.5 is the most strongly scented Tea rose to my nose. Perhaps because it has Bourbon in its' breeding. To me, it has a penetrating scent of rose, allspice and honeyed peach, followed by a hint of musk, and ending with a bright note of brewed black tea. A complex and marvelous scent.
'Etoille de Lyon' 5 to 7.3 (the strongest was on clone "A" which had variation among the degree of scent on its different parts of the bush) A delicious blend of honeysuckle, and cream that one author described simply, as smelling "delicious".
'Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne' 6.8. in strength. An enticing blend of rose, apricot and sun warmed plum. "Mrs. B.R. Cant" 7. has a good degree of scent, which I don't love because it smells to me, mostly of camphor with a bit of myrrh.
'Duchess de Brabant' 5.ish. a clean scent of fresh raspberries.
'Mrs. Dudley Cross' 4.8. brewed black tea, with a hint of sweet white sugar, and a hint of vanilla at the end.
All the other Tea roses that I've smelled at San Jose Heritage, and vintagegardens have a pleasant but light tea scent, usually with notes of mixed floral and/or stone fruit. It is the "exquisite delicacy" of the style of every Tea rose blossom, that seduces my heart again and again.
Though some damask scented roses may be more strongly scented, Tea is for me, the best of all rose classes for beauty of bloom, and bush.
Luxrosa. |
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| I have trouble smelling most Teas. I smell something pleasant, but not "wow." Rosette Delizy is strongest. "Creekside Manor Tea" (Vintage) is medium-strong. I don't have many Teas, perhaps because of the scent, perhaps because I prefer single/semi-double blossoms. I can't compare these two with the others mentioned. Safrano's odor is quite light. I just got Mrs B.R. Cant - no blooms yet. Peachy? Well, peach trees are in the Rose Family, like many fruits. Mike |
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