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| I need to replace a rose that I ordered as 'Souvenir du Dr. Jamain' that turned out to be a very plain white climbing modern rose that does not re=bloom.
I love the photos of 'White Cap' on helpmefind, can anyone tell me: -how fragrant is White Cap -what type of fragrance does it have? Does it have attractive foliage? Mature size?
Damask?
There are very few modern roses that I love, but I do admire those I have seen that Brownell bred, for they have a lush buxom appearance that reminds me of many Old Roses.
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| You know, Lux, I think I'd just plant Sombreuil, and have done with it. Unless it has some disease problem where you are, I don't know a lovelier climbing rose. Ours are old, old, worn-down plants that need to be dug up, re-habilitated, and re-planted ... but they're still pumping out those rich blooms that I love to cut for Fall bouquets. It's about as fragrant as a rose could be, and it has no real disease problems here, for us. Its worst flaw is the vicious prickles, but I never hold that against a rose. Jeri |
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| Thanks Jeri, It is good advice, I do love the shape and color of Sombruiel, I just get frustrated that I can barely detect any scent from it. But I think I must have a Sombruiel and have done with it, I need to plant a rose in that place this winter. thanks again, |
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| The sense of smell is so odd. Years of allergies have left me simply unable to smell a great many roses. The traditional Damask fragrance -- I can only occasionally get a hint of. Teas -- forget it. Including 'Mons. Tillier'. There's just nothing there for me. The only China I can smell is "Elisabeth's". But these Wichurana hybrids are great for me. 'Mel's Heritage' is like sticking my nose in a big barrel of ripe apples. And 'Sombreuil' is so fragrant here that all the neighbors comment on it. It's fragrant in the house, too, in a vase. I'm sorry you can't catch that. But fragrance or no fragrance, and despite its clouded history, I think 'Sombreuil' really is a must-have -- at least in our part of the world. Jeri |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Tue, Nov 27, 12 at 14:33
| Lux, here in a coastal environment on Puget Sound, western Washington, I grow both 'Sombreuil' and 'White Cap.' The former is so far quite healthy and the blooms have been lovely. The latter has blooms that ball for me almost always, even during the summer when it was warm. Fragrance is variable, of course, but I never detected a scent from any of the WC blooms. The petals of WC are a little on the thin side, I think. We have a mild climate too, so I thought it was worth mentioning to you, Lux. But otoh, a lady in British Columbia has reported quite good luck with WC, so it may be that mine is just not in enough sun. I am going to dig it up and move it just to see if that helps. 'Clair Matin,' right beside it, is just fine, although I think that CM is probably more shade tolerant. I am not sure any of that is helpful, but thought I'd throw that out; maybe it will be of some use to you. My young 'Sombreuil' really is good here so far, though, and it's in a much more shady spot than WC is. |
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| This thread shows how roses differ in various parts of the country. Here in my Virginia garden, White Cap far outperforms Sombrieul on every level. The size is moderate and perfect for a pillar (which is how I grow it). White Cap is almost free of blackspot without fungicide, while Sombrieul defoliates somewhat. White Cap blooms more, and I like the shape of the flowers more than those on Sombrieul. I can't speak to fragrance, because I have trouble detecting fragrance in most roses ... I can smell White Cap, tho. |
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- Posted by harborrose 8a-PNW (My Page) on Tue, Nov 27, 12 at 15:10
| Well, one thing is the same, WC has very little bs here too. Wish I could smell it, though, and maybe it's just where it is in my yard. Wishing. |
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