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Jacqueline du Pré
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Posted by maggiepie 4B (My Page) on Wed, Nov 4, 09 at 10:19
| Hello,
Am wondering if anyone grows this rose in zone4b.
Would also love to see pics if anyone has some. |
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RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| I bought three clones of this rose, all own root, two from Vintage and one from Heirloom. I persisted with this rose because I think it was Peter Beales who stated that it was one of the finest contemporary shrub roses and should be an example of the future of shrub roses. I also bought it because of the association with Jacqueline du Pré and her short but intensly passionate life. She was blind by the time she selected it as her namesake and chose it by fragrance. Anyway, to cut to the chase all three plants failed to thrive. None grew more than a few inches. All are dead. This was in zone 6. I just don't get it. Has anyone had any luck with this rose? Should it be budded on a vigorous rootstock? |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| Has anyone had any luck with this rose? There was a point in time, years ago, when most of the west coast seemed to be trying with this one. I think maybe one person managed to get a decent plant from it. Certainly not very many. To be honest, when I first read this post, I just laughed. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pr�
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| Definitely in a warmer zone than you're looking at, but the own-root band I planted from Heirloom last fall seems to be doing just fine. We had a wretchedly dry summer so it didn't put on much growth (we don't water), but neither did any of the other bands I planted. As the weather has cooled off and we're getting more rain, it's starting to put out more growth and seems to be more vigorous than some of the other bands planted at the same time. Very clean plant so far. I can't attest for how it will be in a colder climate, but so far I'm quite happy with it. And the blooms are lovely. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| Maggiepie, Sally Holmes would be a better choice for cold hardiness and her single blooms rival those of Jacqueline du Pre for beauty (larger blooms). |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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I think our Jacqueline duPre may have been on multiflora, and I have blamed that in part for its failure.
But to be honest, we have LOTS of roses on multiflora which muddle along just fine. I think there may be one cane left, down there, which occasionally produces a lovely bloom. If you can find Louis Lens 'White Surprise' I'd take that hands down over JdP.
It's awfully prickly, but at least it grows and blooms. Jeri |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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Thanks for your responses, it looks like I should save myself some angst and forget about her.
I've already done this once but when I see her pic I fall in love again. lucretia1, good luck with your plant, I hope she grows into an amazing plant for you. countryrose, thank you for suggesting Sally Holmes, she is one I had been thinking about, she looks like a wonderful rose. Jeri, I just had a look for White Surprise and could only find one picture. Neither Hortico or Pickerings have it. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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Hi Maggie,
If you're looking for a white rose with a good fragrance, that is cold hardy, I'd reccomend,
'Blanc double de Courbet' a Hybrid Rugosa
My aunt grows it in South Dakota, and hers is a beautiful rosebush, nearly 5' tall and covered with intensely fragrant white blooms twice a year. (in our garden in Northern California it blooms in spring, summer and autumn.)
Blanc de Courbet' has typical rugose leaves, which make it an attractive foliage plant.
I'd rate it:
Beauty of bloom 10
beauty of plant 10
fragrance 8
28 points. out of 30
To my eyes Blanc double de Courbet' produces breathtakingly ethereal blooms, with the cachet of being an Old Rose, being bred in the 1800's. Helpmefind.com rates it as being hardy to zone 3b.
-It is thorny, however, so I wouldn't plant it beside a walkway, but it is short enough that it doesn't seem to reach out and grab the hems of my dresses. Whichever rose you choose, I hope you find a rose you will cherish,
Luxrosa |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| Jeri, I just had a look for White Surprise and could only find one picture. Neither Hortico or Pickerings have it. *** Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that.
It's such a nice rose, too. Check HelpMeFind for photos. What they don't show is that the blooms are huge things. And those fuzzy bracteata buds are a kick. I see it is of 1987 introduction -- I'll remind DH to try again to propagate it, since it is "legal."
The summer cuttings he tried died as quickly as they possibly could. :-( Jeri |
RE: Jacqueline du Pr�
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| I hope she does well, too. She's quite a pretty little thing. I'll keep my fingers crossed and maybe get lucky.
Have you tried EuroDesert roses for White Surprise? I know they have several of Lens' roses, and they send really nice plants. The website is under construction right now so I wasn't able to see for sure if they have it. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| I once grew 'Jacqueline du Pré' own root in zone 5b Michigan. It definitely grew and sometimes produced lovely, scented blossoms, but it was a slave to blackspot. I eventually removed it because of the disease problems. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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luxrosa- Thanks for the suggestion, I don't have any rugosas as yet.
I see Pickerings have already sold out of Blanc Double de Coubert. Jeri, just looked at the pic at helpmefind, what an amazing looking flower, it looks like a peony.
I can see why you like it. lucretia1, thanks for the pic, it really is a gorgeous flower.
As I am in Canada, buying a rose from the US would be too complicated and expensive for me )-: ispahan, thanks for your input. I'm not sure if own root roses would work for me being in zone4b, I am still trying to get used to cold zone gardening after spending most of my life gardening in a zone 10. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| I've grown JdP, own root, for six years. She struggled in the front yard for four of those years so I moved her to a sunnier spot in the back garden. She loves it there. She bloomed prolificaly all summer and sent out four foot canes. I'll need to trim her back this winter but I'm delighted with how well she has done. |
RE: Jacqueline du Pré
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| I was very surprised to see JdP at a local nursery, in a decorative pot that must have been at least a 20-gallon size, blooming like crazy in full sun this past summer. I must say it looked very beautiful and so different from the modern roses that surrounded it. Ingrid |
RE: Jacqueline du Pr�
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| It will be interesting to see how she performs in my yard. She's a year old now, planted bare root. Of all the bare roots planted at the same time, Jacqueline is probably the most vigorous. Time will tell. She sure is a pretty thing for now. |
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