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D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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zaphod42 SE WI 5b (
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Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 10:39
| Ordered both on a whim for next spring. D'Aguesseau seemed to be such a unique color and I have a hard time talking myself out of gallicas. John Ruskin because I'm a bit of a fangirl (yep, pretty dorky). Anyway, I'd love to hear a bit about their size or bloom characteristics and disease resistance. Thanks! |
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RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| I had Ruskin but dug it up after perhaps 6 years with few flowers. The flower is a beautiful red, unusual among rugosas, but I was disappointed with the shrub. Hopefully you will have better luck. I believe the proper name is Ruskin only. It was named by the breeder Walter van Fleet for the Ruskin colony in Tennessee where Dr. van Fleet was a physician for some time. The colony was named for John Ruskin, of course. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| Where did you find Ruskin? Ruskin never was a physician with the colony, he had been a physician, but joined the colony as a botanist and stayed a very short period of time, decamping just before the place fell to 'debtors' among the folks there.
Reading the Ruskin Colony newsletter, it was easy to follow his time there, and to find out how much that has been assumed to be true---- wasn't. There has been a lovely studio photograph of his wife and another lady from the colony on one of the State of Tennessee archive sites. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| It is new at Palatine this year where it is called John Ruskin. |
Here is a link that might be useful: John Ruskin
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| Thank you so much Zaphod, I did see it on the Palatine site yesterday, and then saw that their orders for fall closed on Oct 31. Darn. So I went on this a.m. figuring I might try begging, and Ruskin is gone!. And the catalog now reads 2013-2014. I really hope that Ruskin will come to you in Wisconsin and that Palatine will reoffer it in the future. There's a huge backstory with van Fleet's roses. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| I checked with the website this morning. Looks like it is still available for spring orders. Might want to check again. May have just been a bad link, etc. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| I was the one that sent budwood to Palatine for John Ruskin. He did very well in my sandy soil by the sea. He has a good first bloom and then scattered blooms afterwards. In my garden no disease problem. He throws up thick, tall canes that you could pole vault with, so placement is important but he does stand up with no help and makes a tall, narrow bush. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| Dagauesseau is also mine as it is a favourite. The bush tends to bend because it gets so many heavy blooms but one forgives it. It also doesn't seem to sucker as bad as most Gallicas. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| lynette - Can you ballpark dimensions for me on both? Since you say tall, narrow for Ruskin, I'm thinking 3' w x 5' h in my zone maybe? Would you describe them as - front, middle or back of border - or - standalone? Your pics are beautiful. Can't wait to get them!
Thanks! |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| I kept Ruskin at 5 feet tall and 4 feet in width. He has a lot of vigour and when roses like that are grafted onto multiflora, they really can take off if you don't discipline them. Because his canes shoot right up, he can stand alone like mine did (by the sea with strong winds) and bears flowers about 3 feet from the base. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| I hate to be pedantic but I think Van Fleet was the physician. Ruskin was the art critic and social commentator, whose writings were largely responsible for the Arts and Crafts movement. He was also a very gifted water color artist in his own right and a champion of working men's education. It is fascinating to learn that he had a utopian community named in his honor in Tennessee. This makes me want to get this rose. |
Here is a link that might be useful: John Ruskin 1819-1900
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| Monarda - You are correct. Interesting story - Ruskin was sued for libel by James MacNeil Whistler over a review in 1878. Was a bit of a spectacle. Jury found for Whistler, but awarded only one farthing in damages. |
RE: D'Aguesseau and John Ruskin
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| There was actually quite a lot of scandalous gossip about Ruskin's proclivities -- or lack of them -- so much that it tends to overshadow his accomplishments. He was also barking mad toward the end of his life. I am glad the Japanese seem to be contributing to keeping the memory of his genius alive. No doubt one needs some distance to see things in their proper perspective. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Wild roses painted by Ruskin
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