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Modern cemeteries with roses?

Posted by rosefolly 9-sunset 16 (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 6, 09 at 11:18

Pamela's charming story about how she acquired Pere la Chaise has inspired this inquiry. Now make no mistake, I fully intend and dearly hope to live a long, long, long time, so please don't think I am being morbid. But I am a True Romantic, and when the time comes, I don't want my earthly remains to be cremated or planted into one of those dreadful perpetual care lawn type cemetery. I want the full old fashioned deal. I want to be buried in an actual graveyard with standing tombstones and shady trees and lots of old fashioned roses. (And yes, I want people to weep at my funeral. Profusely. And then go have a bash. But not until they have wept first.)

The trouble is most older cemeteries that fit this description are closed, and most modern cemeteries are the perpetual care type, flat markers and sweeps of grass tended with mowing tractors. Does anyone know of any cemeteries that fit my requirements? I would imagine they might appeal ti many lovers of old roses. I for one would like to think that my final resing place might contribute to the preservation of an otherwise lost rose.

Rosefolly


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RE: Modern cemeteries with roses?

I understand exactly how you feel-----I'm a lot closer to that decision than you are and it often enters my mind---

I don't know of any places like we would both want anywhere near me----

I was quite young when I lost my father and immediately bought the 4 plots next to my parents ( I paid a little every week out of the "food money") it is called " the garden section"---not a garden in sight ---can't even have a pretty headstone----

everything has to be ground level for easy care-----

My daughter lives in Lancaster Pa,. Many of the old farms have their own family cemeteries---It looks so comforting to me to see many generations of families together in their final resting place.

Oh well-----Since we don't have a big farm and I already have four plots (My kids were very young when I bought these plots) I guess that's where I will be.

I'm happy to read your post and know there are others who feel the same way I do---Many of my friends are being cremated - the married ones want to mix their ashes together--
I don't feel comfortable with that plan------

Rosefolly---I hope folks don't think we are morbid but this is a fact ot life----

I've seen movies with really lovely cemeteries----

Let me know when you find one you like-----LOL I've read about Easton Pa cemetery----I've never seen it but it has lots of roses.

Florence-


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I've never really known cemeteries with roses. To me, those are mostly mythological - like sandy soil or cute wildlife. Cemeteries have iris, peonies, massive yews, even more massive arborvitae, daffodils, violets, and a distinct resemblance to something from an Edward Gorey drawing, but no roses.


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I think maybe I'll ask the Powers That Be if I can have my ashes scattered in the Old Sacramento City Cemetery's Historic Rose Garden... or perhaps mixed in with the mulch!

Laura


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I'll go with the mulch. :-)
Sort of like a "Scatter Garden."

Jeri


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Are you near Sonoma or Marin counties?

Liberty Cemetery, outside of Petaluma CA, has some roses - floribundas, etc- and the cemetery to me seems like a small, old-fashioned country cemetery.

There's also one outside of Bodega that has a one or more roses that look wild. It might be Bodega Calvary Cemetery...not sure.

I would check county maps for country cemeteries. (Can you tell I've done a tiny bit of rose rustling?)

I don't think you're being morbid at all.


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This is a subject that is quite current for my family, as my FIL has cancer. I spent one day last week looking for a cemetery. We are lucky to have one in town here with upright markers, though I saw no roses or other garden-type plantings. There is one last small section of spaces left, and we intend to jump on it. The first internment was 103 years ago, and I liked the feel of the place. (there are lovely fall foliage photos I took there in my blog earlier this week, if you'd like to see).

I would like to work with the cemetery management to see if later we can add some roses and other traditional cemetery plants. There are areas that would easily lend themselves to roses, without taking away from the maintenance necessary to have a tidy cemetery.

It's a shame that newer cemeteries don't recognize the volume of business they have available from people like us who want upright markers and some character. I have told my husband that I will NOT spend my final rest in a field of plastic flowers ... some people have no choice, however.

Through the years, I have spent a lot of time in cemeteries. I do genealogical research, and a bit of rose rustling, and there's a certain satisfaction to standing at the grave of a long-sought relative in a lovely cemetery. I want my descendants to have this same feeling, if they choose to come see me.

Connie

Here is a link that might be useful: blog


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RE: Modern cemeteries with roses?

I've often thought of posting this question myself. I did post a back door question about cemetaries in the southeast with roses and came up with a blank. Of course I plan to be around for a long, long time but I like the idea of a MAC or Lamarque or some other giant bush nearby. So far, I've had no success with my half hearted attempt to locate a place. Please do let us know if you figure out how to find what you're looking for.


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It seems possible in some of the little cemeteries. People are still getting into the Manchester Cemetery out on the coast here(small town of Manchester)That's where the Manchester Guardian Angel is. We just found a cemetery in Nevada City that we hadn't been to before, small and old but with newer graves. I can't think of the name. "Something" View off of Boulder Road. We were thrilled because two nice ladies that I know we've met before are planting old roses anew there. It's quite charming. I'm hoping that I can remain here so I would have to be cremated. That doesn't bother me but I would like a spot and not get scattered to the wind.


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Scattering ashes in the Sacramento cemetery is not allowed, even if mixed in with the mulch!

The Sacramento cemetery has a lovely stone marked "Alice." It's in the plot with Blanche de Belgique, and tugs at my heart because my gardening grandma's name was Alice. She's buried in a Victorian-era cemetery in Hamilton, OH, with beautiful pink granite upright markers, but there are nothing but shrubs and trees throughout the cemetery. Not a flowering plant in sight. She'd have loved having roses at her grave.

Stockton Rural Cemetery is still actively burying people, and has quite a few roses there, so it may be a northern California option. The cemetery in Santa Rosa is planning to replant old roses, working with Gregg Lowery - he and Phillip had collected roses there years ago, mapping out where they got them, and now there is a chance to reinstate them. There's also a "green burial" option, such as offered in Mill Valley at Fernwood - no roses, but a more natural approach. I read a book called "Stiff" by Mary Roach - not for the weak of stomach! - and it described an initiative to compost bodies in Sweden. It has a certain gardener's appeal, doesn't it?

As for myself, I plan to have my ashes taken to Fletcher, OH, where I will join my folks and grandparents, in a little rural cemetery near a covered bridge. I'm with Connie - I want my remains in a spot, even if no relative ever visits it. I go to the cemetery every time I come back to Ohio, not to preview my future resting place, but to pay my respects to my mother and dad.

It may or may not be morbid to have these thoughts, but when you spend as much time in cemeteries as I have, it's unavoidable.
Anita


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Connie---that is a beautiful cemetery-----Love the fall color---

In the foreground of the one picture it shows the "garden type" sections that seem to be used now for easy care----

Most of my ancestors are in a similar old cemetery---However when my father bought his plot he needed it to be close to the lane (my father could not walk) He had to buy in the "garden" part so he could get the car near his plots so he could visit my mother and that is where my plots are----
they are both gone now and the markers all have to be ground level----

I love to read the lovely old headstones-----so sad yet so beautiful.

Florence


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There is a wonderful spot, up in the Smokey Mountains called Lake Junaluska. It's a manmade lake, big enough for swimming and some paddle boating. It started as a church camp and has now become a year round retreat with retirement homes (real houses) and it has been lovely every time we've visited.
There is a modern rose garden for over a tenth of a mile on the north shore of the lake and it's a wonderful place for walking.
The gardeners who tend the roses are dedicated even if they are paid, and one tells the story of coming to the garden one morning and finding a smear of gray all over two beds. It's a high humidity spot so they have to be vigilant for Powdery Mildew. But the grey was only on two beds. They took a sample and mailed it off to the state for analysis.
Two mornings later, the disease hadn't spread and the gardener was checking around the roses for more symptoms. Then someone walked up and just stood by the beds.
They started to chat. (This is the way things happen in the south.) Then the stander explained that she'd scattered her Mother's ashes there two days ago because it was her Mother's favorite place.
Our friend gardener said nothing but commiserated on her loss.
And then told the state plant disease person the story.


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Ann, you have the best stories!

And yes, there are a few cemeteries in the Sacramento area with modern rose gardens. They have so little appeal to me that I didn't think of them, but at least there are flowers there.
Anita


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People differ in their wishes. My mother wanted part of her ashes scattered in the mountains of northern New Hampshire near her beloved birthplace, and part in the ocean, so that is what my sisters and I did this past summer. That left the question, what to do with the darned urns? None of us wanted to keep them as reminders, and it didn't seem respectful to simply throw them away. In the end I buried one in the mountains and left one in the ocean. I did not really like the ocean solution -- it felt like littering -- so I would suggest that those who want their ashes scattered avoid getting an urn at all. We kept Tom's stepfather's ashes in a special lined cardboard box in our home for a couple of years while making arrangements for burial with Tom's mother's ashes back in their former home town.

Thanks for the information about various cemeteries. I know that a few still survive. There is a lovely cemetery in Monongahela, Pennsylvania that is still active. It was left over from the time before WWI when cemeteries were parks and places of beauty that people visited frequently. I guess after the slaughter of the 20th century wars people just didn't feel the same way about cemeteries anymore. Anyway I don't know if they allow permanent planting.

There is a pretty little church cemetery up in Foxburg, Pennsylvania, a town I once lived in and dearly loved. I have actually seen old roses growing there. They are not in the best of shape. I've thought of sneaking in a bit of fertilizer on a visit -- or even taking it on as a project when I go home each year to visit my father. He lives about thirty miles from there.

Rosefolly


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Ann - I used to live near Lake Junaluska and walked around the lake every day for exercise. It was so beautiful.

But now I am back in Texas, and understand how gardeners feel about the modern cemeteries. Fortunately, we have a cemetery where my grandparents and great-grandparents are all buried. My parents have picked out their lot, and I know that one day I will be buried there, too. The cemetery has a lot of trees, but not a lot of flowering shrubs.

I told my husband that if/when he buries me, plant a rose bush on top. I hope he will.

Good luck in your search. I don't find it morbid at all. Death is just a part of life, too.


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I REALLY like that mulch idea . . . either that, or have someone toss my ashes unceremoniously into the Niagara River just above the falls.

Some Londoners are facing quite a quandary these days as they search for final resting places . . . Perhaps some of you who long to repose among tilting tombstones and old roses might consider following the Brits' lead & search for a compatible gravemate.

Here is a link that might be useful: R.I.P. with a Stranger


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There is a beautiful huge rose garden in Serenity Gardens, Largo, Fla., STURGEON MEMORIAL ROSE GARDEN, dedicated to ANN by husband GEORGE... when she died 1979 he went to the Cemetery and they gave a huge area next to the lake, it was dedicated 1981 and he provided for its maintenance... they had been married 57 years, moved to Fla. 1961, and had a rose garden, he was a ARS Consulting Rosarian and accredited rose judge... there are over 650 bushes and over 129 varieties. It is located 13401 Indian Rocks Rd., Largo, Fla. and open to the public with a parking area..... In 1985 it was approved as a All-American Rose Selections garden one of 2 in Fla. and 100 nationwide.... sally


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In the cemetery I mentioned above, there is a small section near office with the ground-level bronze markers (and the plastic flowers). The section we are interested in will have upright monuments like the parts with the older burials. Thank goodness the overall impression of the place is a sea of trees and green, with a variety of monuments. It's easy to look past the plastic flowers.

I was pretty sure that Oak Hill Cemetery was the only one around here that would fit our needs. Just in case I missed something, I called a local monument company to ask ... figuring that they'd have the best and most comprehensive knowledge of where they set their stones. The woman I talked to there gave me a couple of more cemeteries to try, but neither of them met the needs of my husband's family.

Another option for some would be to join a church that has a cemetery ... probably not the BEST reason for joining a particular church, but I'll throw the idea out there. The very-old Presbyterian church at the corner from me provides cemetery space for members who have belonged for more than 2 years. I'm sure the rules are similar for churches who still have room in their cemetery. (Man, have I spent a lot of time in church cemeteries.)

Connie


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