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| I noticed that the thread on foolproof roses is heavily dominated by roses that do well in California. It makes sense. California is a kind climate for roses. Also, there are a high number of California rose growers on this forum. I am one myself.
But I have family members and friends who live in eastern US, and sometimes they ask me for rose suggestions. Sometimes I actually buy a rose for one of them, say as a housewarming gift. I have my brother in Florida all set due to the useful information Malcolm Manners has shared with us. But I have relatives in Kentucky, western Pennsylvania, upstate New York, and even New England. I know we have antique rose-growing posters on this forum from these parts of the country. So please, what are the foolproof roses in your area? What rose would you recommend to a friend who might admire roses, but isn't going to lavish care on it? I'd prefer that we limit this to old roses, not modern landscape roses. Rosefolly |
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| I have Reine des Violettes, Rose de Rescht and Honorine de Brabant. Of those three RdV is probably the healthiest and hardiest. RdR spots a lot and HdB doesn't bloom much. |
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- Posted by carol6ma_7ari zones 6 %26 7a (My Page) on Tue, Nov 13, 12 at 17:47
| Crepuscule is still blooming (but hard frost is due), r. moschata climbing high, r. alba both semi-plena and maxima, thriving; r. complicata is turning into a major hedgy shrub with lots of blooms, and the rugosas are all doing well (we're near the sea). Souvenir de la Malmaison has smaller blooms than in California. On our RI property, middle June brings out hundreds of r. multiflora blooms in the wetlands. On our very urban MA land, lots of multiflora along the chainlink fences and the railroad tracks. So it looks like the most foolproof roses around here are species roses hardy to zone 6. They rarely get pampered, deadheaded, fertilized, just watered. Carol |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Tue, Nov 13, 12 at 19:28
| For here, I'm thoroughly convinced there is no such thing. The fools are much too good at what they do. You give them gory specifics of *exactly* what rose they are supposed to buy and from where, and then they sit it in a box for 2 months because it is 'too cold' to plant. You sort that one out, and the poor thing ends up in a hole filled to the brim with fresh, unadulterated manure. You manage to get that sorted out, the plant growing, and get told 'that isn't a rose', and they complain for the next five years about how they can't rid of that weed you told them to plant. So it always comes down to the specific use for the rose, and the specific handholding that particular person needs. |
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| I only grow a few OGRS and I'm not sure how old some of my roses are considered, but here are a few easy-to-grow, non-hybrid-tea-looking rose shrubs/bushes. Mystic Beauty (bourbon)--identical or nearly identical to Souvenir de la Malmaison, available only from Roses Unlimited. Fru Dagma (rugosa hybrid). I think a number of the rugosa are good choices. Buff Beauty (hybrid musk). A couple good Austins, easy-to-grow: For Austin climbers, try: You might also check out the modern Kordes rose with some hybrid musk in its background: Eutin. It doesn't look very "modern" and would supply some bright/dark red. Oh, as far as I know (but do double-check), all the above are hardy through Zone 5 and are quite good on disease-resistance (but may not be disease-free). Hope that helps. Kate |
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| Gallicas and Rugosas, from VA northward; noisettes and Chinas from VA southwards. Bourbons blackspot too easily. VA, TN, KY can grow just about anything. My very best rose here is R. Moschata. It doesn't blackspot, it is in afternoon shade, the deer leave it alone and it never got the RRD that swept thru my garden two years ago. It is enormous and beautiful. Nastarana, Crepuscle, RdV, Mme Alfred C and the rugosas are next. The hybrid musks did well but RRD took them all out. Hybrid Perps and Teas are iffy; they are are either wildly successful or just die. Mosses just hang in. |
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| rosa alba semi plena, rosa maxima, rosa centifolia, rosa gallica, Harisons Yellow, Madame Hardy, Charles de Mills, Felicite Parmentier, rosa eglanteria, Greenmantle, Konogen van Danemark, Fantin Latour, Hallie's rose, Chloris, Quatre Saisons Damask, Therese Bugnet, Leda, and Celsiana. This last couple years I've been experimenting with repeat bloomers. If you can get it to live, this gives you some blooms later in the summer. So far Gruss an Teplitz, Tess of the D'ubervilles, and another David Austin whose name I forgot. I've tried growing things that will not survive lack of summer humidity, like hydrangeas and mountain laurel. I think my biggest problem is grafted roses. I have root stock coming up all over the yard from those. |
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| Cat, it's interesting that the Bourbons blackspot too easily along the Eastern Seaboard -- because out here in SoCal, they mildew and rust, occasionally blackspot, and get hit by anthracnose and cercospora. I guess they are probably great SOMEWHERE, but it's good to know that my area is not the only only bad place for them. Jeri |
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| Jeri, We get anthracnose & cercospora as well--anything fungal thrives here. The few Bourbon successes I have had here are when they have plenty of air and few neighboring roses. I grew beautiful Bourbons in Santa Fe. One of my first jobs here--before I knew better--I planted two Louis Odier by the entry to a country club clubhouse. They have done beautifully! But there are no other roses w/i 20'. Also, my replacement knows zero about OGRs and prunes them rather heavily, like HTs, and that may actually help control the fungi. |
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| How does Stanwell Perpetual do in the mid-Atlantic? I'm thinking of it for a Pittsburgh garden. Other suggestions are welcome. What about Carefree Beauty? Or the other rose with a closely similar name, Carefree Wonder? Rosefolly |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Mon, Nov 19, 12 at 7:29
| Large, pink, recurrent - Frontenac Stanwell Eventual has been completely underwhelming any time I've seen it around here. Pittsburgh may be enough warmer and drier for it to do something. Carefree Wonder is in the running for the worst rose I've ever grown. One of the roses the rose society had in Kingston may have been Carefree Beauty. Nobody really remembered. It was a decent rose, though planted too close to trees. Health seemed good, but blooming/rebloom didn't seem too great. In ways a strange rose that I wouldn't have minded running across in a better context. |
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- Posted by Cymbidium3 5a (My Page) on Mon, Nov 19, 12 at 13:58
| Kaylah, I noticed you grow both Alba maxima and Alba semi-plena. I have been thinking about adding one of these to my yard. Would you please let me know which one do you prefer? I think I can only grow one because they are supposed to be > 7 ft tall. Thanks. |
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| Just to make sure no one is misled, it may be true that Bourbons BS in the East and mildew/rust in the West, but split the difference and you come up with a nearly perfect environment in the middle of the country--good ol' Kansas--where Bourbons grow fine. Well, maybe I should qualify that. My Zone 6 Kansas area where the Bourbon called Mystic Beauty (identical or similar to Souvenir de la Malmaison) thrives with no disease problems. It just blooms and blooms and blooms--and it so lovely. Kate |
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| Stanwell Perpetual is a winner for me; Marchessa Boccella and Reine des Violettes are also wonderful. These roses get blackspot in my no-spray garden setting; however, they do well. Stanwell Perpetual forms an arching shrub, I prune it so the blooms don't touch on the ground. It's about 5 feet wide and 3 1/2 feet tall. Repeat bloom is very good, it's almost always forming new buds after the June flush. It tolerates some shade, I have it in a spot where it does not get all day sun. Stanwell Perpetual
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- Posted by zeffyrose_pa6b7 6b7 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 19, 12 at 23:15
| Paula-----Carefree Beauty does very well here in eastern Pa.I purchased it as Katy Road Pink but after posting some pictures I received a nice e-mail from Griffth Buck's daughter explaining it's true identity---however I don't think it is considered OGR since it was hybridized in 1977--you want OGR roses---- New Dawn does well here and it is as old as I am----LOL I think that qualifies as an Antique---LOL Albertine does well as does Zepherine Drouhan (although she does get BS--- |
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| Thanks everyone -- I don't have a cut off date and I certainly would consider the right modern rose. I do want roses with character, not the kind of roses mass planted for a wash of color on a roadside, i.e., not landscape roses or the like. I had been looking at some of the Buck roses, Carefree Beauty for one, and Earth Song for another. Since family members I give roses to rarely grow any other roses, I do like them to be repeat bloomer. An exception is the garden in upstate NY. Knowing how cold it is there, I gave that relative a nice, hardy gallica. I was also tying to get the conversation going for all of you, not just for my own interest. Spread the wealth. And the knowledge. Rosefolly |
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- Posted by rideauroselad 4b/5a Ont (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 12 at 20:05
| Hi Rosefolly, I have been growning roses for more than a decade now in Eastern Ontario, home of the Canadian Explorer Roses. If you want foolproof cold climate roses, this is the place to trial them. As this is the Antique Roses Forum, I was initially hesitant to post about cold hardy roses for the harshest climates, but since Explorer Roses and Dr. Buck's roses have now been mentioned, I'll put in my two bits worth. I have not had a lot of luck with OGR's here in Eastern Canada. Most Bourbons and Portlands seem a bit tender here. The exceptions are Louise Odier, Comte de Chambord, Jacques Cartier, and Rose de Rescht if planted deep and own root. I have tried a few Albas and failed. Limited space has kept me from trialing the Gallicas, Centifoias, Mosses and other once blooming OGR's that I would like if I had room. However, with winter protection the list broadens a bit, particularly if you mulch a bit with straw and grow own root roses. Many David Austin Roses and Griffith Buck roses do very well here particullarly with some straw for protection. The really fool proof ones for me are: Buck; Prairie Harvest, Prairie Sunset, Quietness, Folksinger, Pearlie Mae and Hawkeye Belle. David Austin: Saint Cecilia, Mayflower, Evelyne, Charles Darwin, Crocus Rose, Mary Rose and her sports Redoute aand Winchester Cathedral, Cressida, Teasing Georgia, Alexandra Rose, Abraham Darby (protected sight), The Reeve, Lilian Austin, Radio Times. Climbing Roses are few and far between. The ones I can recomend are: Isabella Skinner (Victorian Memories), John Davis, Northern Encore, Polsterjarnin (Once Blooming), William Loeb (Once Blooming Moss), Morden Snow Beauty. Of course, all or the Morden and Explorer roses from Agriculture Canada are wonderful and hardy in the cold zones. Below is a link to the site of the Canadian Central Experimental Farm Garden in zone 4 Ontario. Both the heritage rose garden cultivars and the official Canadian Explorer Rose Garden. if you want to see what we grow up here with winter protection,lots of OGRs in the heritage Rose Garden,and the Explorer Rose Garden are listed. Enjoy and greatings form the "Great White North". Cheers, Rideau Rose Lad, aka Rick |
Here is a link that might be useful: Central Experimental Farm Gardens
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| I am with Kate. I have 12 SDLM, and they grow very well here. Also Maggie grows well, but not Kronprincessin Viktoria. Cramoisi Superieur is a favorite of mine, as is Spice, and a few Bucks. Sammy |
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