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| These roses are just now impinging on my consciousness, probably because I had always assumed they were meant for colder areas, and therefore gave them short shrift. Some of them, however, seem to be quite beautiful and the flowers at least have more of an old-rose look, and I'm beginning to wonder if their reputed toughness and disease resistance might give them an advantage in a warmer climate too. One question I have is whether the foliage and habit as a whole look too modern and would be out of place in my country garden. Has anyone tried them successfully in a warmer and dry garden? I'd love to hear your comments. Ingrid |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 26, 13 at 15:11
| I like all the ones I have. They are bigger than the stated sizes given much like DA roses. They are disease resistant, even planted next to roses that will get diseases first in a stretch of bad weather. They look the best in spring but give some decent flushes after that. I really like Lion's rose the way it blooms all year and changes from a pretty ivory yellow to white. I got this as a band and for the longest time, mistook it for one of my minis! Finally in the ground, it grew roots and started sending up big fat canes with huge flowers on the ends. The nasty spring wind could not blow the flowers off when all my DAs were blown to bits. I love the shape on Pomponella. These roses take space. I haven't tried to keep mine small. |
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| They sound very sturdy and disease-resistant, but I wonder if they would look too modern with those heavy canes and big flowers. I remember Pomponella looking very pretty when someone posted it here or on the regular rose forum. I'll have to look up a few varieties on HMF. Thanks much for the info, Kitty. Ingrid |
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| I like 'Eureka' very much. Good repeat, compact size, superior rust resistance. Not much fragrance is the flaw. 'Lion's Fairy Tail' gets 12' canes with a cluster of flowers at the end. Very disappointing in that respect. Superior rust resistance, but I don't need a 12' floribunda. 'Laguna' has a stellar spring flush and just about nothing after that. So, 1 for 3. We must remember 'Iceberg' is a Kordes, the best rose of all. |
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| hoovb, thank you for somewhat quelling this new enthusiasm of mine for yet another type of rose I have no room for. I share your enthusiasm for Iceberg, although the Burgundy Iceberg that's been a stellar rose for some years has in the last two years had an increasingly bad case of black spot, even on the new leaves, and is now leaving me. Since No. 92 Nanjing, one of Vintage's French import teas will be its replacement, I'm going to look at it as one of those things that was meant to be. Ingrid |
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| Take a look at Jasmina, Ingrid. It grows like a rambling polyantha, with clusters of many soft lilac pink blooms on a very lax and floriferous rose. A real sweetie which may chime rather well in your garden (those soft blue-greys which dominate the area). Grows well with some support - I use a large tripod timber with cross bracings and let the rose tumble over the top and between the horizontal cross-pieces - an enthusiastic repeater too. Cinderella has the many-petalled blooms you like but has a bit of a generic candy pink tone while Pomponella may get rather huge and has a peculiar (but I like it) raspberry colour to the very incurved blooms. Here in blackspot heaven, many of the Kordes roses have remained unbelievably healthy and spotless. |
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| campanula, thank you kindly for the suggestions. I actually did have Jasmina some years ago and ended up giving it away because it couldn't stand my heat. I saw a mature specimen on a large structure on a garden visit, but the color wasn't nearly as beautiful as in the picture from the on-line nursery where I bought it, which leads me to believe that dry heat is not its favorite thing. I know by now beyond any doubt that teas, chinas, polyanthas, small Bourbons and a few Austins are what I should be concentrating on, but of course the grass is always greener on the other side, and surely there must be some (mythical) roses that will transform my garden. Pretty silly for someone who lives where grass will not grow on either side, isn't it? I think I'm having a malcontent day since we were promised rain and instead we've had days of drying winds. Considering the horribly cold weather in the east I should have my hand slapped for complaining about that too. I do hope you have adequate heating in your horse box, if that's where you're hanging out right now. Ingrid |
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| We have been trying a number of Kordes products over the last few years in our warm and dry garden in the eastern edge of the San Joaquin Valley. We are quite pleased with the performance of a number of products in the Fairy Tale Series. We were able to obtain a one gallon pot of "Golden Fairy Tale' from Chamblees that had 3 rooted cuttings in it. We separated the cuttings and now have 3 plants that are around 3 feet high and across so far after 2 years. The flowers are borne in clusters at the ends of branches and are around 3-4 inches across. We are pleased with our grafted specimen of 'Floral Fairy Tale' from Pickering, which is a growing as a compact plant so far. The flowers are around 3 inches across and are an appealing shade of pale orange/apricot. We also have a grafted specimen of 'Cinderella Fairy Tale' which throwing out canes up to 5 feet in all directions-similar to what we see some of the more vigorous Austins do in our climate. We had to move it out of a bed of more mannerly pink and white roses to a spot near out cherry and persimmon orchard, where it has more room. We have 3 own root plants (Chamblees) of ' Lion's Fairy Tale; this rose has nice flowers but grows like a hybrid tea for us-thick canes growing up from the crown with less branching than the others. When it hit 5 feet tall, we transplanted them to a more suitable location with other hybrid teas. Last year we planted a grafted specimen of 'Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale' and are quite pleased with the flowers, up to 4 inches across-not quite sure about the ultimate growth habit yet. We have ordered "Elegant Fairy Tale which should arrive in the next few weeks. Most of these have dark green leaves that look waxy and are quite disease-resistant . I think that you would find the growth habit of all but LFT to be less 'modern looking' for your country garden. We are less satisfied with CFT because of its rapant growth habit but we will see what we can do with it in its new location. We are also growing a few in the 'Veranda' Series. We planted 3 own root 'Cream Verandas' 3 years ago. It took them a bit longer for the plants to size up. The flowers are larger in Spring/Fall-around 3-3.5 inches; in summer 2-2.5 inches. The canes grow at an angle and make nice mounds-around 2 feet tall by 3 feet across. We planted these in mixed perennial bed and they look great. The foliage is dark green, waxy, and disease free. The repeat is a bit slower than others but the flowers seem to last longer than many other roses. We liked these so much that we got 'Solero' and 'Brilliant Veranda', which we have recently transplanted into a mixed perennial bed-irises and asters. They have been producing many new blloms over the past month or so. 'Brilliant Veranda' is a bright orange red and now have more petals and are larger than we were expecting. 'Solero' is an appealing pale yellow with exquisite form. We planted climbers 'Laguna' and 'Jasmina' 3 years ago in a remote part of property. The ground squirrels and gophers took out Laguna. Jasmina has grown into large shrub 5 feet high and 8 feet across. Both of these are very thorny; flowers are small (2-3 inches across) and perhaps only 2 bloom cycles per year. Very disease-resistant foliage. I would not recommend these 2 base on their performance here. I heard a radio clip about Kordes roses in which somone claimed that Kordes was the largest rose company in the world, in that they test around 1 million new seedlings from breeding crosses, more than any other company. A rose is not released until it has gone through extensive trialing (around 5 years) in test areas that are not sprayed with pesticides. It is not an accident that this company has a reputation for releasing products that are very disease-resistant. And since they are testing their experimental in their cold climate, they also are very cold-tolerant. And just because they are very cold tolerant, it does not mean that they will not perform well in our much warmer climate. |
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| John, thank you so much for your very detailed discussion of your experience with the Kordes roses. I've been eying Cream Veranda on the Chamblee's site for the last two years, and Solero also sounds interesting. I would think that thick, waxy-looking leaves would hold up very well in a hot climate, and might be a good defense against disease. Ingrid |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 29, 13 at 9:11
| Ingrid, maybe they will hold against sunburn as well. This was the first year I had sunburnt leaves but not on any of my Kordes roses. |
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| If you need a red, don't forget that old tried but true Kordes floribunda called Eutin. Has a bit of hybrid musk in its background, which probably accounts for its big clusters of blooms. Red--about the shade of Double Knock Out but not quite so "hot" -- maybe a tad darker--in other words, not quite so "modern" looking. Good disease-resistance--was promoted at times back in the 1950s and 60s as the Knock Out rose of that generation (although they obviously would not have known what a Knock Out rose would be). LOL I grow at least one (3 at the moment) in every garden I've ever had. Kate |
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| Kate, I've heard how good this rose is but unfortunately the color, next to orange, that I most dislike in roses is red, and it's also too strong a color against the background of the hills. There is a pink sport, Pink Eutin, which Vintage carried, which looks very attractive. If it turns up somewhere else it's a plant I would definitely consider buying. Ingrid |
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| Pink Eutin is new to me--just looked it up. Its clusters and color remind me a bit of Pomponella, though I doubt if it will get as large and gangly as Pomponella can. If it shares all the other qualities of Eutin, Pink Eutin ought to be a good choice. Kate |
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