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| Hi, Please tell me about Marie Pavie. I've heard rumors or fact, about M.P. being petite, disliking the temperatures of summer and having soft pink tones mixed with her white petals. What is your experience a.k.a. "the truth" about M.P. according to YOUR garden, including her quirks? Like many investigations, images are very helpful:) Lynn |
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| She is a graceful shrub about 3', free-blooming with wafting fragrance. My own-root plant was quite prone to iron-deficiency chlorosis but sensitive to sprays and other interventions. As a Texas EarthKind rose, she must be somewhat heat-tolerant, but I have no experience with extreme heat. |
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| I have the pink sport 'Marie Daly'. The foliage will toast in hot weather, but the plant never stops trying to bloom. Here she is (left side of photo), where we can enjoy the fragrance as we walk through the gate. |
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| Mine has pale pink buds that open to white flowers. I'm not sure I'd grow it again since the leaves can looked burned and crummy in the summer and the blooms are short-lived, even in cooler weather. They are fragrant. The bush has a certain grace in spite of its faults and it will be with me for at least a few more year to give it a chance to grow older before I can make a definitive evaluation. Beautiful pic, hoovb. Of course, my Marie Daly NEVER looked that good! Ingrid |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 21:09
| I have a pair of Marie Pavie's, they are both pretty happy babies. But I have yet to notice much scent. Hoping as they grow, so does the fragrance. |
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| Mine is still a baby, but I can always smell it when it blooms -- the fragrance isn't especially strong up-close, but it hangs in the air around it. A couple weeks ago, I cut a little bouquet which included a few 'Marie Pavie' blooms. I could recognize its fragrance among the others up-close, but when the gifted bouquet was left in a car for fifteen minutes, its recipient returned to find the scent permeated the whole space. I always notice it when sitting or gardening where it was planted, in front of my house by the sidewalk. It's a moderate scent but it travels far -- like the way honeysuckle does (but a totally different scent). :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 21:41
| I have planned to plant 4 Marie Pavie where they will receive morning sun or filtered sun, but they will not be able to escape the heat during the summer months, and this rose could very likely be unsuitable for the summers here. A back up plan is definitely necessary . Hoovb, Thank you for the information and the image:) Michaelg, Ingrid and Kippy-the -Hippy, thank you for the growing information. Lynn |
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- Posted by harborrose 8-Puget Sound/PNW (My Page) on Sun, Nov 17, 13 at 23:54
| Lynn, I grew a hedge of about eight 'Marie Pavie' from Antique Rose Emporium on the eastern side of my house in Dallas surrounding a swimming pool in the mid 90's. There was no shade at all from any trees. The blooms paled to white but I don't remember any other problem with them. The temperatures were over 100 for weeks at a time, so I can attest to MP's ability to take heat and sun. I did water a lot. I did haul a lot of manure from a neighboring dairy. Gean
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| A possible cause of the scorched summer foliage is burn from fertilizer or sprays. My Marie preferred to be left alone. In the EarthKind trials, roses were fertilized only with a mulch of green yard waste. |
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| Since I don't spray and the only fertilizer I've used is alfalfa meal, my suspicion is that Marie is not happy being planted right next to a large paved area and a huge, heat-retaining rock formation to one side, in an inland so. CA garden. I don't know that I'd do nearly as well as she does in that location. Ingrid |
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| Ingrid, no doubt you are correct. |
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- Posted by priscilla_ca (My Page) on Mon, Nov 18, 13 at 13:19
| Hi, I have many roses in my pot ghetto at this time. Some may say too many!! The roses are under the eaves of my home where they receive early morning sun only as that is the only way for potted up roses to survive here during the summer. The first 100 degree day I had, MP fried to a crisp. And quickly died. Now a few of the roses had some crisping, but nothing like MP. Out of around 40 own root roses, she is the only one who didn't survive so for me it was clearly a sign that she is not meant to be and I won't replace her. I have to say that the one rose thus far that has survived the best, always maintained glossy foliage and keeps blooming is Aimee Vibert. Hopefully, she will keep this up when my beds are in place and she is planted in alkaline clay soil. Hope this helps, Priscilla |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Mon, Nov 18, 13 at 13:47
| M.P. will be planted in the best position I have for her. The soil was amended back in September, the roses are "grafted", and will be planted next month. Marie Pavie will have until Fall of next year to show whether it is suitable. If they were own root, I would provide more time. I am rooting for it, but will find a new home for any unhappy rose(s). I am thinking that this is the best I can or am willing to do.... Lynn |
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| The original questioner, Lynn, is from a hot zone, Las Vegas. All the negative comments about MP appear to be made by gardeners from hot zones. I, on the other hand, have nothing but praise for MP, whose highly desirable characteristics may be in part due to it growing in a more temperate climate, here in W PA. MP and its sport, Marie Daly, are some of the best candidates in all regards for any rose gardener. MP is one of the least demanding roses I grow. It is essentially no spray. Being the first rose and last rose to bloom in the growing season, its flowers are quite fragrant, almost identical to the scent of 'Rose Milk' lotion. |
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| Well, there is dry heat and humid heat. harborrose when in Dallas had humid heat, is that right? Las Vegas is dry. A few roses like the humid heat, a few like the dry kind. |
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| hoovb has put her finger on a very important point, which I've also mentioned in previous threads, because I've found quite often that roses that didn't do well for me were reported here as being very good in a humid climate with similarly high temperatures. That seems to be especially true of roses with thin petals that quickly fry for me. The humidity keeps these fragile roses "hydrated" so to speak, which I believe can make all the difference. Ingrid |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Mon, Nov 18, 13 at 22:41
| One thing that I have gleaned is that thicker petals and for some reason that is unknown to me, roses with darker leaves fair better during my dry hot summers. Lynn |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 18, 13 at 22:54
| Lynn I don't remember where I heard it-want to say at a Dave Wilson nursery class, but bluer toned leaves are supposed to be tougher and better able to handle heat and sun than others. |
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Mon, Nov 18, 13 at 23:42
| Everything is relative, but Dallas is not humid heat. Maybe not Los Vegas dry, but certainly not humid like Houston, Atlanta, St. Louis, Memphis, etc. In my Dallas-area garden, Marie Pavie, as a plant, has no problem with heat. The blooms/petals themselves however are short-lived no matter where you grow this rose. It's just a characteristic of Marie. As mentioned by others, Marie has an uncanny ability to waft her scent on the breeze and the nice scent can travel a fairly good distance. If you want a glamor rose, or a rose for cutting, Marie's not for you. But in my garden anyway, she's a terrific garden plant. By the way, love that photo, Hoovb! Randy |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Tue, Nov 19, 13 at 0:55
| Randy, My hope is that Marie Pavie is very floriferous. I am not an exhibitor and purchased this rose for landscaping purposes. I really like the look of it and would love to add fragrance near the walkway where these roses will be planted. Lynn |
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- Posted by noseometer 7 Albuquerque (My Page) on Mon, Jun 9, 14 at 23:47
| Just found this thread...did you plant Marie Pavie, Lynn? You probably have a similar climate to mine (but my winters are colder). I planted Marie Pavie last year in my high desert garden, and I find that she doesn't really take off until the temperatures go above 85-90. I have her planted against a hot west wall and she does just fine in the heat even at 100F reflected west heat. Flowers are pink, but I gave her a lot of steer manure. She tends to get chlorotic here. Flowers well, and rebloom is quick. As others have said, the flowers individually are scented, but do not seem strongly scented. They do have a great wafting quality. |
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- Posted by desertgarden561 9/SZ11 -Las Vegas, N (My Page) on Tue, Jun 10, 14 at 0:27
| The supplier was not able to ship the grafted Marie Pavie at a time that was suitable for my climate. Instead, I purchased one own root one gallon plant. It is still small, but with the exception of crispy tips on a few of the leaves it seems fine. After monitoring the soil moisture level for a few days I found that it needed an emitter change. If M.P. makes it though July, it can handle anything my climate can throw at it. Lynn |
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- Posted by noseometer 7 Albuquerque (My Page) on Sat, Jun 14, 14 at 16:46
| I think own root is better anyway. An old rose like Marie Pavie wouldn't have survived this long if it needed to be grafted to have decent garden vigor. I hope you like her! |
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