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| Hello. Kim's "reality check" regarding Tom Brown got me to thinking....what's involved in custom budding? Would I need to choose a rose the "budder" had on hand or could I send the rose to an independent "budder" (ha) who would do it for me? I believe Burling is a renowned "budder". Anyone else? I've seen how well my roses do on fortuniana....would like to try a couple of "wimps" on it. Does the rootstock most often invigorate the wimp such that it blooms more or it just grows larger? Thanks! Susan |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 25, 13 at 13:09
| Oh Susan I wish you could have come on last Thursday night to see Burling bud! It looks rather straight forward and I know there is a video out there somewhere showing it. I now have a new appreciation of the couple of wayward Doc Huey root suckers and a plan to try some budding myself. Next time I see a sucker, I am going to dig that baby out and pot him up....... |
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| Do remember tho, Kippy, that the Dr. Huey suckers are virused. Don't bud something clean onto that. Susan, One exhibitor here told me that "Francis Dubreuil" /'Barcelona' was a vigorous six-footer, on Fortuniana -- and the blooms were much bigger. That makes sense . . . Jeri |
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| Contact Steve Singer at Wisconsin Roses. I think he does custom budding. |
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| I'm trying to think of someone near Nashville who does their own budding. Dave Clements down in North Alabama has created some beautiful roses and he may have the skill. Over north of Memphis Whit Wells is a plantsman of extraordinary knowledge. He's sold MidSouth Roses, and the folks he sold to might have the knowledge or he might be willing to show you how he budded onto fortuniana to produce bloom production of some minis. Almost everyone else I can think of (who sell roses) are middlemen and don't do their own. Or they do bare roots. |
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- Posted by malcolm_manners 9b C. Fla. (My Page) on Mon, Nov 25, 13 at 20:19
| Fortuniana increases vigor of many varieties, but not all. Bermuda's 'Belfield' (perhaps Slater's Crimson China), remains small no matter what. And in a case of some Austins (Graham Thomas, Heritage), it forces such extreme vigorous growth that the plant turns into almost a tree, and seldom gets around to flowering at all. But for most roses, it does give a larger, much more floriferous bush, with bigger flowers on longer stems. Jeri, I'd suggest that 'Dr. Huey' MAY be infected with a virus, but that it may not be; the majority of Dr. Huey-rooted roses being sold at this point in history are likely free of mosaic. Not all, to be sure, but it's nothing near a 100% infection rate. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 25, 13 at 20:28
| Thank you for the reminder Jeri, Malcolm this is an old plant so I am sure it has it. But for practice with another rose that I know is also virused, I am not going to worry about it too much. Always good to learn on something cheap and then try it for real on something good. |
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| Cool Roses will do custom budding on fort. On YouTube, Kitty and Bob Belendez have a very clear video on how to do it as well. I think she also has an article on it on the Santa Clarita Rose Society pages online. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Tue, Nov 26, 13 at 7:49
| Ok great! Thanks for all the info. I was particularly wondering about Tom Brown...and when Kim mentioned budding it.... K and M in Mississippi states on their website that they will be doing Austins next year... Malcolm, Edith Schurr in your garden was what inspired me! I so enjoyed the gardens. I also purchased Colonial Days. Susan |
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| Susan, go ahead and try the own-root roses you are interested in (Tom Brown or whatever others) and see how they do under YOUR care in YOUR garden. Some will require extra attention and nutrition, others will be a bit more maintenance free. The example in my garden is 'Lyon Rose'. It sat in a prominent spot in my HT garden for four years, never getting taller than two feet and barely flowering. It's rare, so I lived with it. Last year, I kept it free of weeds, fed it with Osmacote and made sure it was well watered, and the blasted thing grew to three-feet tall and flowered almost all season, with new canes and lots of great growth. This taught me that sometimes we must provide good conditions and have a healthy dose of patience. Remember what I told you in Lakeland ... plant your roses, care for them, and observe what happens as a result. There's no shortcut for the process. P.S. Budding isn't all that difficult to learn. A friend taught me to bud onto multiflora seedling stock ... I've just never bothered to do any of it. |
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| I rooted a bunch of Ragged Robin & Pink Favorite switches last fall & have tentatively practiced budding various HTs on them. My first good take was Talisman--I am so thrilled. The bud has broken into a 9-10" switch as big or larger than any on the Talisman mother plant. What a kick! if I can do it, anyone can--I was working with tiny stems & buds & am very clumsy. I think I did that one in early Sept. |
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