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| Ok. I know I posted a while back about quick frosts/freezes. I know I need to let nature run its course....but DANG IT I have blooms that have been sitting on Baronne Henriette de Snoy for near 2 weeks that I want to see (spoiled toddler voice). I have a gallon of Crepuscule with 3 lovely blooms. Im only concerned about my roses in pots. Is there a danger of killing the plant with two nights at 29 predicted.... I guess I need to just move them to their winter home up near the house and let nature do her thing. Any special protection I need to take for younger noisettes and teas? Thanks. Susan |
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| Very interested in this as well. I have many young Teas and Noisettes sitting out in pots for the cemetery. I may weep and curse the skies if I lose them to the cold. Josh |
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| I moved the cinder blocks which were stacked up in the yard (waiting for some future and unknown purpose?) to form a box for overwintering anything that didn't yet go into the ground (my "leftovers") or their permanent large planters (my very fragrant dark-red or crimson HT collection). It sits on pavement, and I spread about six inches of mulch within the "box", then put the potted roses in place, and filled in with more mulch to about two inches above the top of the pots. I don't have a picture of it filled (I'll take one tomorrow), but here are the cinder blocks as I found them last year:
And here was how I formed the "box" before filling it with the mulch. I spread the roses out much more, so they are in three rows going the length of the "box". There are 20 in there now: :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 19:01
| There has to be a way to get them to go a little longer. Covering at night? I don't get freezes so I don't know but this is the sort of question Karl would have the perfect answer for. |
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| Susan I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it is actually suppose to be down in the low 20s in our neck of the woods on Tues and Wed night! (I'm a couple degrees colder than you since I don't have the urban heating effect and they're predicting 21° for me!) I'm figuring that roses are finished for us for the year! This afternoon I finished up putting a couple inches of horse manure compost then a couple inches of fine pine bark mulch on top of that on all my roses. I thinking I'm pretty much done 'til February or so. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 19:51
| Oh poo poo. HA. I'm going to put a few of my fat budded slooooooooowly opening pots near the brick Southern exposed side of the house. Also a nice little wind break there too. And cover them with something...worth a try. Christopher, your holding pen is EXACTLY like the raised beds I made behind the garage to hold the HT's coming bareroot in February. Josh, last year I used pine straw and the smaller ones did fine but I just didn't have any that were so actively growing....I just burrowed them down in the straw and mulched around their canes with bark. Sure wish I had some shredded leaves... I'm so sad. What am I going to do with my life now? *sob* Susan |
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| Twenty eight won't phase 'em. Lower twenties will slow them down, but many won't go dormant. Whether they go dormant or not is a decision that (in our part of the world) generally gets made BY THE ROSES in late December. We really don't have any say in the matter. Even in years when we don't have freezes until mid December, the bloom production slows with decreasing sunlight and decreasing sun intensity. Some years, Jean over in Nashville would see her OGRs start to bud out in late December. Northeast of Knoxville my roses were about two weeks later than hers. Then would come the first two weeks of January warm spells. Then the early February cold. Some years I would use "dormant strength" Lime Sulphur to deleaf my roses in late December/early January and to try to keep them from too early bud break in that January warm spell. Many years that worked. Then a few years there were spectacular failures (I will just mention the "late Easter FREEZE" that destroyed first bloom all over the southeastern quadrant of this country. After that one, I decided the roses were mature enough to be left on their own. IF, and I do mean IF there is a forecast for three days below minus ten Fahrenheit as it did happen in the 1980s, we'll all go, dig up our roses and live with our bare root bushes for a week or so. That was in very late January, and killed so many, many plants. It also set gardening in this part of the world back seriously. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 10:27
| Thanks for posting Ann! It's great to hear from someone in my Zone with your experience. So...my potted up bands that are actively blooming and in bud won't be killed at these temps? They haven't been slowing down and I'm concerned that rather than a slow steady braking into winter they are going to come to a SCREECHING halt. I need to just ease my mind and let it be. I don't remember it ever getting below zero here. . .yesterday the high was 70 and a low of 25 tonight. Crazy. |
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 10:38
| The only time I ever lost potted roses to cold was some young teas. We had a friend caring for things while we were gone. I told him that it was bad for young potted plants to go through a hard freeze when they were dry. He didn't water them. They died while we were gone. |
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| In agreement with Mendocino about the water issue. In the east we generally get rain before the cold front. Fortunately we weren't here in the 80s, that was the freeze that had us living in New Orleans and repairing broken pipes, having neighbor in the Quarter's water turned off because we could hear it running wild and out of control in his town house where it had frozen. I learned more than I ever wanted to know about plumbing that cold spell. But we did get to -10 F about 15 years ago; fortunately we had 18" of snow at the time. So the averages that put me in Zone 7 need to be looked at with the knowledge that averages don't kill plants, extremes kill plants. |
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- Posted by ken-n.ga.mts 7a/7b (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 11:12
| Have had several freezes over here already this Nov. Suppossed to be 21 tomorrow morning & 23 Thursday morning. I moved all my potted roses to the south side of the house a couple of wks ago and piled all the oak leafs on this past weekend. All the 1 gal pots are up against the house and all other pots are up against them. Doing it this way I have never lost a potted rose. Even a couple of winters ago when we went 4 wks with temps never getting above 30. My few tropicals go under the house in my craw space. It stays a steady 40-48 under there. |
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- Posted by pat_bamaZ7 7 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 11:31
| Susan, I’m in the same boat as you down here. It was in the 70’s yesterday, we’ve already hit our high of 46 for today, lows in the mid to upper 20’s tonight and tomorrow night, and then back up to near 70 by the weekend. I have some highly anticipated buds close to opening on a couple of my OGRs that are still in pots. I pulled those under the covered part of my back porch for tonight and tomorrow night to keep the frost off of them and then I’ll pull them back out when it warms up Thursday. Once those buds open, I’m going to quit fighting nature and put everyone to bed between bushes against the house with fallen leaves as mulch. I’ve never lost a rose to cold, but have lost eucalyptus and tender perennials to the crazy weather rollercoaster in the late winter/early spring…quick 20 to 30 degree rise and falls when plants are first leafing out after dormant winter seems to be harder on most of my plants than the same temperature swings at the end of the growing season. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 15:51
| Yes, it's the temp swings that get them. Crazy! I've put my small ones near the house and will insulate them with pine straw. Sure want to see the last of the blooms! Thanks everyone for responding. Susan |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 12, 13 at 18:24
| Of course you want to see them open! Here's hoping for a stretch of warm days for you |
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