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| I have a white Iceberg climber that I bought as a body bag when I first started with roses. It's done very well, but has unfortunately been damaged the past few years by an ice storm and high winds. Last year one of the two main canes died off and it hasn't been putting out any new ones. I want to replace it, and would put in another Iceberg, but it is just so bad with black spot and it's very hard to spray climbers that get very tall.
So I'm open for suggestions. Remember, I'm in the SE, so what is disease free in other areas may not be here. I do have two roses that never get any black spot, Reve d' Or and Crepescule. If there is a white climber similar to either of those, I would love it. |
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| LAMARQUE! Look it up, Buford! It's lemon-white, and I think truly lovely. I guess the other candidate would be Mme. Alfred Carriere, but I don't think the bloom has the distinction of Lamarque's. It is pink-white, rather than lemon-white. As to disease -- In my part of Socal, Lamarque is disease-free, and MAC mildews. YMMV. Jeri |
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| I was googling and Lamarque came up. I will try to get some info on how it does in the SE. I was also thinking climbing Devoniesis. I know it's technically not a white, but I love my little Devoniesis although I'm not positive that it's disease free . I doubt it could be worse than Iceberg, LOL. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville (My Page) on Sun, Nov 18, 12 at 19:11
| Buford, Jeri's praise of Lamarque landed two of them on my fortuniana order from K & M. They have a few OGRs this year. Susan |
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| Lots of very nice once blooming white ramblers, some of which are fragrant. Does Secret Garden Musk Climber do well in your area? It is much admired, repeats, is fragrant and in the west healthy. I don't know about its performance in your part of the world. Rosefolly |
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| As much as I love SGMC, I'd be worried about black spot there. Jeri |
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| Madame Alfred does fabulously here in southwest VA. I don't have Lamarque, so I can't compare. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Sun, Nov 18, 12 at 23:42
| 'Sombreuil' (the Wichuriana climber)? And although I don't know 'Lamarque' personally--I wish I did--it occurred to me at once. Also, as I ramble on, how are Hybrid Musks in your area? 'Pax' is a beauty. |
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| I already have Sombreuil (or Colonial White) climber, and while I love it, it does black spot a lot and is a terribly thorny beyotch. I have it against a fence so it's easier to manage. This rose will be up against the house and a bit tougher to handle. Here is a pick of what is there now, in better days...The pink rose is QE Climber, a dog, I know, but I love the blooms...
Here you can see the location. I had strung wire awhile ago and some of it also needs repair. Unfortunately the area has become so tight now, that it's difficult to get a ladder in there. I will probably have to trim back the holly and other stuff to get in there to be able to work. QE also needs a severe cut back and have new canes tied down. |
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| Wow gorgeous Buford. That is 1 beautiful scene! My SGMC completely defoliated from blackspot this spring, and blackspot is a rare event here. What about 'White Cap'? Someone in BS land, can't remember who, used to recommend that one. I'm tempted myself, it looks lovely. |
Here is a link that might be useful: white cap @ helpmefind
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- Posted by floridarosez9 10 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 19, 12 at 14:47
| Breathtaking, Buford. |
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| I also recommend 'White Cap'. It's as bulletproof as a white climber gets! No blackspot, moderate grower, blooms like crazy, fragrant ... one of my top tens. |
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| Thanks, that was from 2 years ago in May. Looking at it made me realize how overgrown everything has become. Sigh, I have a lot of work to do this winter. Anyone want cut juniper branches for free mulch? I will check out White Cap. |
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| You have a beautiful garden....WOW! I have 2 white tallbush-climbers that might work for you...Prosperity and Champney's Pink Cluster, they have arching sprays of white cluster fragrant blooms, never get BS, and the chili-thrips seemed to not like them, in my no-spray garden... I tie them up and they are both abt. 7 ' tall...Prosperity is on Fort., from FSC, and I do think Champney's is own-root.. they are both a delight. ally. |
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- Posted by sherryocala 9A Florida (My Page) on Tue, Nov 20, 12 at 18:54
| Lovely, Buford. No, make that absolutely lovely!!! I vote for Lamarque on Fortuniana. I had it on its own roots. The flowers were yummy, fat with center knot, but it was very slow to do anything, i.e., it looked liked a small bush even after 2 years, but on Fortuniana I think it would be a good bet, Bet. If QE Climber is a dog, I'd like to see your star performers!! Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...
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| Thanks guys, of course I only post pictures when everything looks great! QE I have a love/hate relationship with. Hate the fact that it puts out 20+ feet canes that are like squid tentacles and will do serious damage if you aren't careful. Hate the THORNS Hate that it only blooms once, really Hate that everytime we have a late spring frost, it loses the spring flush. Hate that it defoliates at the drop of a hat Love - The blooms. When they are there. And I guess that is what is really important. Every time I say 'I'm going to shovel prune it!' it puts on a spectacular spring flush and saves itself. |
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- Posted by organic_tosca 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 20, 12 at 22:17
| I love Devoniensis, too. The one in the Sac Cemetery rose garden is still blooming its heart out today. I've never seen the climber - except in the Australian Tea Rose book, where it looked fabulous. I also don't know blackspot susceptibility. I just couldn't resist putting in my two cents worth for Dev! |
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| I would not recommend climbing Devoniensis. It is a thorny beast and in the several years mine has been in the ground it has not sent out more than 2 basals. The canes are stout, stiff and not that amenable to tying down. I've considered taking mine out. It gets some mildew here, no BS, but don't get that much here. |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Thu, Nov 22, 12 at 8:59
| I have had a completely different experience with climbing Devoniensis. Mine is the most pliable of all my roses. It is the easiest to train, by far. I don't find it very thorny. It starts flowering in spring, with a massive flush. It then continues to flower all the way through the summer and into autumn. It can get the tiniest amount of powdery mildew occasionally. I just ignore it and it goes away. It has had no other problems at all. I am sure you have all seen my Devoniensis before, but here it is again. It is a very beautiful, trouble free rose for me.
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| I'm very impressed with what I am seeing about White Cap. If it were me, I might pick that one. I have a very young Cl Devoniensis in my own garden, and I have high hopes for it; but it hasn't been there long enough for me to make any judgment about it. Still, it would be the other one that tempted me. Perhaps you can plant both? One in the front of the house and one in the back? Rosefolly |
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| Daisy, I'm not sure your rose is Devoniensis. Compare your plant to the pictures on Help Me Find. Billy West (one of the tea rose book writers) has posted pictures of the canes and comments how they can be stout and thorny. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Cl Devoniensis on HMF
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- Posted by idixierose z8b Coastal SC (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 6:39
| Lamarque is one of the few no-spray roses in my garden. Two other disease-resistant white climbers are White Cockade and Cl. Mrs. Herbert Stevens. |
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| Thanks dixie! It's nice to hear that a rose does well in your garden in the SE. Ii did go take a look at my bush Devoniensis, it has some yucky leaves, but I think it's more due to age and time of year. It also has about 6 fat blooms on it! This is the most I think I've seen on it. I hope they open before we get a hard frost. I thought the pictures above were a bit too yellow for Devoniesis, although they are lovely. A bit too yellow for what I want. At this point it's between Lamarque and White Cap. Thanks for the input! |
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| I planted Cl Devoniensis this fall. During the summer the blooms were whiter than what is in Daisy's picture. When I first saw Cl Devoniensis it stood out from across a field at Ashdown. The blooms were huge and so beautiful. So far my plant is not very thorny. I love MAC and think the blooms are anything but ho hum. |
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- Posted by organic_tosca 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Sat, Nov 24, 12 at 17:13
| Now that I think about it, the non-climbing Dev in the Cemetery Garden does have rather stiff, thorny canes. |
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| Daisy, if I didn't know better, I'd say that your 'Climbing Devoniensis' was nearly the spitting image of 'Marechal Niel'. I have the bush 'Devoniensis' and the flowers never appear so yellow, nor do the leaves look like that. I haven't seen 'Climbing Devoniensis' in person so I can't comment on its disease resistance, but 'Devoniensis' isn't that great against black spot or mildew in my garden. The flowers are so amazing and have such great fragrance that I don't entirely care and have opted to try to cover her nakedness with other plants, but I wouldn't necessarily want to rush out and buy the climber after growing the bush form here. I've seen a young 'Lamarque' planted in DC and so far I don't think its black spot resistance is particularly good compared to some of the healthier tea-noisettes in this area. However, there are several different clones going by that name, so it's hard to say whether we're all even comparing apples and apples. Stefan |
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| Daisy, I think there's been a bit of a mix-up since your picture shows your gorgeous Marechal Niel, which you've posted before. I've heard the Marechal can be difficult to grow, but yours obviously hasn't gotten that message. Ingrid |
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| Baltimore Belle does well here! I'm not sure how it performs in the south. Here MAC gets tons of BS. |
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| Even though I'm probably not far at all from Lori as the crow flies (but probably quite different climatically speaking), I see plenty of black spot on my 'Baltimore Belle', especially late in the season, but it usually stays at around 40-60% of leaves affected (still not a terribly big deal because it's so huge and surrounded by green companions). It's actually fairly impressive given the amount of spotting present on Rosa setigera late in the season; 'Baltimore Belle' leaves look better in the fall overall, except of course for the beautiful hips and reddish stems that setigera has to offer which put it over the top. On the other hand, I totally agree with Lori about 'Mme Alfred Carriere'--it's much worse as a percentage of the plant. I think that its fans here must get by primarily on the beauty, scent, and frequency of its flowers. Lori, have you tried 'Long John Silver' (or what passes for it in the trade--is NEroseman still around these days, I wonder)? |
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| I have two Lamarques growing on my back fence next to the alley, to the left is Cl Pinkie, and to the right is Zepherine Drouhin, this is working great to cover up my ugly chain link fence. Lamarque is disease free here, a great rose, in my opinon!! |
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| The most disease resistant, repeat blooming, fragrant, white climbing rose for the South Eastern United States is DARLOW'S ENIGMA (Hybrid Musk, 1993). It is a single (flowers have five petals) and the perfume is redolent of musk rose. The plant is extremely resistant to black spot and can be safely grown no spray in your region with the full expectation of clean foliage. The only negative is the vicious thorns. If you insist on doubles then CLOTILDE SOUPERT (climbing polyantha), LAMARQUE (Noisette), PROSPERITY(Hybrid Musk), and WHITE CAP (large flowered climber) are all good choices and certainly more resistant than Iceberg, but not none are completely bulletproof against black spot. Images of Darlow's Enigmas by linrose and cnetter at Hortiplex |
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Wed, Nov 28, 12 at 9:45
| I hesitate to make suggestions since I'm probably 3000 miles away as the crow flies...however, these three have thrived here: Lamarque..some mildew but less this past summer than the year before. Nice bush shape bloom size 3". Big Mac...Madam Alfred Carrier..a beast. mine is 3 tears old. She is trimmed often. She is 10' tall, by 6' deep by 8' wide. Her scent wafts here. White/light petal pink caste. 3" blooms. Maybe 10% mildew late season. cl. Devonensis..vigerous..no disease..thats right no BS here in the PNW..here its planted in a protected area ofthe garden as she is somewhat tender. blooms 4-5". White-creme coloring. She would thrive if she were pegged. Foliage green and lush to the ground. I received 2 of these as mystery roses from Rogue Nursery. Janet Inada graciously identified them when we visited there last summer. Hope that helps...looking at your lovely garden pics I think that Devonensis would be lovely. Let us know wha you choose. Jeannie |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Fri, Nov 30, 12 at 7:26
| I have to apologise to you all. Within twenty minutes of placing my last post above, I was in bed with a high fever. It turned out to be a bad dose of influenza. I hadn't realised, but I was already a little delirious I think. I must have been thinking of one rose and writing about another. In fact, I wasn't aware of what I had done, until I logged on to Garden Web for the first time to-day and read it. I am better now, thank goodness. Still very weak, but better. Daisy |
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| Hi Daisy, hope you feel better. FWIW that is a gorgeous rose! |
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- Posted by henry_kuska z5 OH (kuska@neo.rr.com) on Sat, Dec 1, 12 at 0:05
| If Darlow's Enigma is not exactly what you want, grow some of its open pollinated seedlings; and pick what fits your garden best. |
Here is a link that might be useful: example
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- Posted by professorroush 6A (My Page) on Sat, Dec 1, 12 at 22:58
| No love here for New Dawn? At least the mature one at the Kansas State University rose garden is as disease-free as I'd ever what to see. |
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- Posted by thonotorose FL 9 (My Page) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 12:41
| Henry, That is a lovely rose. Is it as scented as DE? What is it's form? Still a large shrubby plant? TY, |
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- Posted by henry_kuska z5 OH (kuska@neo.rr.com) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 16:05
| Regarding scent, I am the last person in the world to ask about scent (I worked with chemicals). Most of my Darlows Enigma seedlings have kept the large shrubby plant form. The long thread below should be useful. (I am only mentioned as of historical interest "Henry Kuska use to raise a lot of DE OP seedlings and he would get doubles as well.") |
Here is a link that might be useful: rose hybridizing Darlows Enigma thread
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