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| Hello friends. Gardenia has about 12 ft. canes now and I am ready to send her up into my dogwood tree. I'm curious, do ramblers need the horizontal breaks to produce laterals? Or do they just flower along the cane? Simply put, do I wrap it around the tree or send it straight up and let it grow along the limbs? And would that be the same treatment for all ramblers? Thanks! Susan |
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| Susan, I don't know if this will help . . . We planted R. banksia lutea next to a 6-ft. fence. It went up the fence, then made a 4-ft. leap to the tree on the other side of the fence, and proceeded to scramble rapidly up the tree, and wave wildly in the air 6-ft. above the top of the canopy. It did this all without our intervention. So, generally, I think they just do it. Jeri |
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| I'm not familiar with this rose in particular (but it does seem to be a beauty, per the pics at HelpMeFind), but if it was me, I'd do a mix of both -- send a few canes straight up to get flowers into the tree, and wrap the others "barbershop-pole-style" to encourage more flowers lower down. That's what I'm doing with 'Jaune Desprez' on the Japanese maple here. But be aware that some ramblers get very long laterals this way, and they will need to be further trained up into the tree. The one long shoot on 'Jaune Desprez' I have is actually a lateral that just kept going up and up as it leaned against the trunk. Twelve-foot canes already? That's incredible. PICS PLEASE!!! :-) ~Christopher |
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| For me, the beauty of growing roses into trees is that they DON'T generally need to be actively trained or messed with. What I do is tie the long canes into the tree with jute twine (which will degrade and rot away within a couple of years and won't strangle either the tree or the rose), then I let it go and see what happens next. Sometimes the canes scramble upward and make their way throughout the tree, spilling out in along sunny places in the canopy (like with 'American Pillar' in my cedar). With this, I just leave it alone and enjoy the show. Sometimes, the canes scramble upward then grow downward and drape (like with 'Paul's Himalayan Musk' Rambler in a mulberry.) In this case, I just cut off anything that drapes too far and can get caught on passers-by. My next 'victim' is setting Augustine Girault up into two Black Walnut trees. It's planted midway between them and has been doing fantastically on his fence. I've been meaning to clean him up a bit and send him skyward, but I just now will be getting around to it ... after I get back from the conference in Florida, that is. Gardenia is custom-made for scampering through the treetops. I think you will LOVE the look. (the link below takes you to a blog post of photos of American Pillar in my tree in 2011. This rose has a shrubby heap of rose on the south side of the tree, and amazing long canes in the tree itself ... it's the way I grow it, and YMMV.) |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'American Pillar' in a cedar tree.
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- Posted by mendocino_rose z8 N CA. (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 9:40
| I agree with Connie and Jeri. Just get Gardenia up into the tree and it will do the rest. and you should have tons of blooms. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich Nashville (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 10:32
| Ok. Thanks you all. I knew I would get great answers. Connie, I love everything about your garden and I enjoy your blog so much. Christopher, I purchased Gardenia (and Arcata Pink Globe) from Vintage in May as bands. They have both grown that much! It's amazing! Robinette has been another vigorous rambler. Bleu Magenta and Perennial Blue are slowly growing. I will be out in the garden today as we are expecting a hard freeze and I need to do some rearranging of pots so I will take some photos. Susan |
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| Connie -- Those are the first clear photos I've ever seen of 'American Pillar.' What a gorgeous thing it is! Jeri |
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| Your photos of American Pillar were inspiring, Connie, showing such beauty and abundant flowering. I am so frustrated with my lack of space around here. I would love to try growing American Pillar someday. Diane |
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| Well, now I am going to have to find another hour a day to follow your blog, Connie. What I can't figure is how you ever get time to sleep. Was reading your blog, (for the first time after reading this post), and saw the bit about Christopher Marlowe. I tried to comment there, but it bounced me off. Anyway, have you ever seen the 6 part English series on 'Who Wrote Shakespeare?' I think that was what it was called. A fascinating and highly compelling argument that it was highly unlikely to have been Shakespeare, and very likely to have been Kit Marlowe. The presenter starts of pretty much feeling 'who cares?', but ends up addicted, like me. |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich none (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 18:54
| Titian, I truly believe Connie has at least 2 clones! I will investigate at the conference and report back. No mere mortal can wield as much energy and creativity. I too love the Shakespeare mystery. Think we will ever know "the truth" Susan |
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| Oh Connie, thank you, thank you for sharing your photos of AB in the cedar. Perfect timing as I was looking at the Lady Banks thread thinking, "Oh no! What have I done? I am going to have to move mine!" I've got a fence line to put it on but you've made me realize I've got an even better place for it! I have a row of trees of which several are big loblolly pines whose branches weep to the ground, interspersed with some hardwood trees--all of it planted two closely together. A couple of the pines are somewhat misshapen where the other trees were planted too close, died, then removed. It might be just perfect to let my Lady Banks loose in one of the gaps! Even better it's along my driveway where I'd actually get to see it on a regular basis and not in the way back behind the house. Susan, thanks for the thread! Maybe I'll have a picture to share in a couple years... |
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| Forgot to add, that I have an Adelaide D'Orleons growing up a tree. Well, if only it did. I have to keep hooking it up, and then a wind comes along and blows it all down again. But, thankyou Connie, I will now use jute string. |
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- Posted by Kippy-the-Hippy 10 Sunset 24 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 22:20
| Connie, that is breath taking! Thank you so much for documenting the growth and sharing it! I forgot to add, I have one rose I want to grow up tall, I am running it up an old wooden ladder. |
This post was edited by Kippy-the-Hippy on Mon, Nov 11, 13 at 23:39
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