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| I've never grown a climber before, and finally decided to try it this year. This is the Moss rose 'William Lobb.' In y'all's opinions, would it be okay to put it in the ground or should I hold off until spring? Thanks! Josh |
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| Usually the rose growers start shipping to our area in February, and those are well established one and two gallon pots. I would wait on that one until spring. But, then, I know nothing about moss roses! |
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| Ogrose, I haven't a clue either! I've never grown a climber, much less a Moss, so I am shooting blind here it seems. My thinking is that: 1) Since it blooms late spring/early summer I would like to let it spread its roots in the dirt a bit before it tries to bloom. 2) I don't feel like the "cold" (read: low 30s) weather will phase it. It may help it, in fact, as its roots will be more protected from the temperatures in the ground than in its pot. 3) I would like to see it get some oomph underneath it before next summer. I'm not sure if planting it in March will allow it to brace itself enough before the summer hits. The winters here may not be challenging for it, but I guarantee the summers will be. Hopefully one of our Northern friends can chime in with a suggestion. To be honest I'm not even sure growing a Moss here is even viable. Between this and the Gallica I have 'Duc de Guiche,' I will find out if I was naive come spring time. Josh |
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| Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, I tend to lean toward planting a rose instead of wintering it in a pot ... an OGR like this one, especially ... and I'm colder up here than you are. I vote that you should go ahead and plant it, and you will have one less rose to baby until spring. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Fri, Nov 22, 13 at 10:21
| I would definitely put it in the ground now. We plant everything here in the Fall - that way they get WInter water, and the roots have a chance to grow. HMF says that this rose is hardy to zone 4, so it should be OK. One thing, be careful where you plant it - do you have something for it to climb on? HMF says it gets up to 8 feet tall, and in warm zones like yours I have noticed that their height estimates are usually too short. I looked at all of the pictures on HMF, and the best looking versions of this rose were all climbing on some sort of structure. A building would work too, of course. Gorgeous rose! Jackie |
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| I am south of you in Texas, and I would definitely put it in the ground. Fall is our best season for planting. Winters are mild, summers are killers. |
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| Thanks everyone! I'll probably spend Thanksgiving break putting roses in the ground then. Based on what you all said about planting in the fall, should I go ahead and plant these three Duchesse de Brabant and one Cramoisi Supeurieur in the cemetery? Duchesse is listed as hardy to zone 5 on HMF. CS on the other hand is listed as hardy to zone 7b. As I am in zone 8a, would it be a gamble? Josh |
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| I'd plant all, for the reasons stated, though it's fine if you don't: Summer is generally harder on them than winter--get them in the ground now to get their roots established. The ground is better insulated than pots if winter turns out unusually severe. If you have extraordinarily harsh weather--prolonged in the 20s, maybe cover Cramoisi, but I'd plant & mulch well now. Just my 2 cents--I think they'll be fine either way. I have some new mosses, too--bands from this spring--& if it wasn't so dang hard to chisel a hole in the caliche, I'd have them in the ground now. I'll be digging them in now through spring. |
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| Josh, I am in east Texas, not that far from you. I like planting in the fall much better than in the spring - the roots can still grow even in this cooler time of year. We have cold weather, but sometimes don't get any more freezes until January. Just mulch it well. I don't get all my roses planted in fall but I know the ones I do, end up getting a much better start in spring than the ones I plant in spring. The same with petunias. Everyone thinks they are spring annuals - I like to plant them in fall - they don't do anything but just sit there - then in spring - wow! They start making big mounds of green, then when they bloom - they are incredible. I had a long edging of lavender Ramona one year that people would stop when they saw me gardening and want to know what that flower was. The show was thanks to planting in fall. Mulch well - they get all the winter rains which makes things grow much better than water from the hose. I bought a bunch lately from Chamblees and I am going to try to get them all planted this fall. Good luck - they are nice looking plants! Judith |
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| The only thing you need to know about how mosses differ from most others is, in general, they are more prone to mildew than many other types. The density of their prickles traps moisture and spores, providing perfect opportunities for mildew to germinate. If that plant is sufficiently mature and vigorous in comparison to other types you're more familiar with to put into the ground, plant it. Most mosses are as durable as other types. If it feels appropriate to you to plant it, go for it. If not, let it mature in a pot a while longer. They're not any "miffier" than any other type. Kim |
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