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Fri, Dec 28, 12 at 2:48
| I recently saw this online article about roses Bishop's Castle and Petal Pushers tumbling over low walls. This inspired tableau really struck me. Both roses seem to have flexible canes that are ideal for cascading over the sides of their planters. What other roses would be suitable for this purpose? I have a lot of south-facing low walls just waiting for the long branches of roses to cascade over in their quest to reach the sun. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Roses tumbling over low walls
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RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| I have tried two roses this way, Max Graf and Raubritter. Max Graf threw out too long shoots although that wall is quite high so I've removed the rose. Raubritter is better behaved over a very low wall. The picture is bad but it shows the look. Raubritter is beautiful near the pond at Mottisfont Abbey. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Raubritter at Mottisfont by Jon in Wessex
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| 'Sweet Chariot,' a fabulous rose that covers itself with fragrant purple pompons in clusters. Vigorous but not huge, very hardy, repeats. 'Mme Plantier,' a weepy once-bloomer with 2" perfect, fragrant white flowers. It can spread 8' wide or more. Very hardy and disease-resistant, requires no care beyond trimming back with hedge clippers after blooming. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Buff Beauty, Cornelia, Lavender Lassie, all hybrid musks with flexible canes. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| I have Sea Foam done just as you say. Quite thorny, but a no brainer of a rose. White clusters...sorry, no pics. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Thanks for all the replies so far. Please keep them coming! I've always loved Raubritter, ever since I read about it in one of Graham Stuart Thomas' books. But I've never gotten it b/c of two things--once bloomer, and most critically, reported to be blackspot susceptible. Blackspot is by far the only disease that plagues my roses. Knowing this, I've been seeking Raubritter lookalikes with BS resistance, and next year, was thinking of adding Kordes' Pomponella Fairy Tale, which has been described as a Raubritter lookalike, but has also won the ADR and is rated highest resistance by Kordes to blackspot. Can anyone comment on how similar it really is to Raubritter, in terms of flower and shrub, and how well it might cascade over a low wall? I've also been intrigued by the hybrid musks for many years now, but never taken the plunge. I've always felt like these are large roses that should have a special function in the landscape. Maybe cascading over a low wall (instead of sprawling over neighboring roses in a bed) is the perfect function? Please tell me more about their health, hardiness, growth characteristics, and appropriate landscape usage. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pomponella Fairy Tale (Kordes ADR winner) on HMF
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| I don't have experience with this rose (and I don't know if it'll be hardy for you), but have you considered 'Mel's Heritage'? Or perhaps 'Ghislaine de Feligonde'? I'm thinking that something bred from R. wichurana is a good place to start. :-) ~Christopher |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Rosa wichurana poteriifolia is a ground covering rose with very lax canes, easily 12'X12' and only 12" high. She truly hugs the ground. Mostly spring blooming, she does keep popping out scattered flowers all season. Completely bs resistant, the deer leave her alone, almost evergreen here despite snow. She even propagates easily from self-layering. Here's the link: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.5446 |
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| IF it is sufficiently hardy (and I don't know that it is) Mel's Heritage could do a bang-up job of this, AND it is very very fragrant. Somewhere, I have a picture of the big one at the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, sprawling out in a mass of bloom. What I can find more easily is this, of the bloom. Jeri |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Jeri, is this the pic you mean? It's on HelpMeFind. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: Mel's Heritage on the fence at SJ HRC
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Anything that makes a good weeping standard would be an excellent choice - Renae and Annie Laurie McDowell, for example. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| I'm trying to do this with some roses (Running Maid,for example) but they seem very slow to take off. I'm worried that I planted them too close to the "edge" of the wall, and they are cramped or too dry (my climate is very hot and dry in summer, with SW exposure). Does anyone have advice as to how far away from the wall's edge the roses should be planted? thanks, and happy new year to all! bart |
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| Mel's Heritage is 8' to 20'! My terrace wall is only 3' tall. I think that Mel is way out of my league. But what a lovely rose! Regarding Buff Beauty, Cornelia, Lavender Lassie, and hybrid musks with flexible canes: The planting site is a south facing terraced area mulched with rocks and surrounded by a sea of stamped concrete driveway. It gets very hot in the summer there, and full sun from 10AM to 9PM in the summer. I've always read that hybrid musks prefer moist and shady locations. Is that the case? If so, they would wither there. I've been really enthralled with the idea of Renae and Annie Laurie McDowell, especially after reading about them. But my worry is hardiness. Are they hardy enough at least to make a cascading shrub in Zone 5b? I don't expect the kind of cane hardiness required to make them into climbers, but is a 3X3 or 4X4 cascading shrub possible in my zone? Please comment on my other potential drapers--I've seen photos of all of these kind of drape downward when in bloom to hug the ground, so they have some cascading potential.
Larissa (Kordes ADR)
Pomponella (Kordes ADR)
Carefree Beauty
Bishop's Castle (Austin) |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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Here is a link that might be useful: Images of Peggy Martin rose
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| In my garden setting Bishop's Castle doesn't grow large enough to form a draping shrub. It's about 4 1/2 feet tall and 3 feet wide, with an upright vase shape. It arches a bit. It has incredible fragrance and beautiful blooms. Repeat bloom is good. |
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| I could see our Bishops Castle cascading like you want. But I think our "maybe Princess Alexandra of Kent" drapes more. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Peggy Martin looks like exactly what I need! And I love the story of her triumph over Katrina. But 15'! Can all that length be redirected to drape downward instead of to rocket upward? I don't want to add a lot of height. You're right in that Princess Alexandra of Kent drapes. I have two of her planted next to a walkway, and she drapes elegantly over the edge of the walkway. I started another post on this, but I'm also considering using Annie Laurie McDowell as a draping shrub on my terrace. Would that work? I'm posting another picture of my front terrace, which is in a sea of hardscaped driveway. |
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| Pretty! Alba Meideland (sp!) drapes really nicely for me and doesn't grow tall. I'm not sure of the hardiness of these for your zone, but I'll avoid mentioning any I know won't do :) AM is thorny and just has a mass of cute blooms. It's a great rose, but individual flowers don't impress or anything. A rose Pickering carries called Frau Eva Schubert worked as a draper as long as I had her (which wasn't very long because someone wanted her really badly for a gift). She didn't look like her canes would ever get really stiff, but it's possible she'd change habit older than I had her. She's so pretty, btw! (I want her back!) Bow Bells and Cinderella (Fairy Tale) might work this way in your climate, but do ask around. My Cinderella would look so good at your place! I can't promise she does the same thing up north, though :) Bow Bells is more upright for me than Cinderella, but I've seen that some people's are quite sprawling -- in a good way. Austins can be weird with growth habits, though, so keep that in mind, too! |
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| Alba Meidiland is completely hardy in my zone 5b without snow cover or winter mulch. It's planted very close to a rock which may help to keep it warm. |
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| How about MayQueen ? I dont have her but she reads good and the pictures and zone looks good. |
This post was edited by julia034 on Thu, Jan 3, 13 at 11:57
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| After seeing the picture of your house (beautiful, btw), I have to second the earlier recommendation of 'Sweet Chariot' for this space. There are a few pictures of it on HelpMeFind by Dave and Deb Boyd in Billings, Montana. That comes up as USDA zone 4, so if it's hardy for them, it should be for you. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sweet Chariot on HMF
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| How does Sweet Chariot compare to Electric Blanket? Currently, my thinking is to grow Bishop's Castle, Pomponella Fairy Tale, and Larissa on the terrace immediately to the left of the steps. This photo shows daylilies growing there. but I clear those out last spring. I'm just not sure that the mini-floras like Sweet Chariot and Electric Blanket would cascade enough. I'm afraid that they'll just sort of sit on top of the terrace, instead of tumbling over it. Thoughts? |
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| I've seen pictures of 'Sweet Chariot' growing in a hanging basket, and it drapes well below the basket. Its name refers to its semi-trailing habit. I think it is just right for the pictured space, where a lax climber would be too aggressive. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| What about Weeping China Doll? |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Have you considered using something that can be pegged down? I'm thinking you could utilize the spaces between the blocks for this. If you do that, you won't be limited to something that will naturally weep -- you'd just need something flexible enough to "encourage" to weep by tying its canes down. I mentioned 'Ghislaine de Feligonde' before, and wondered after looking at this pic if it would work for your situation, as I described. :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ghislaine de Feligonde
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RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Another possibility might be a mini climber like Jeanne La Joie. I have that one climbing about 5-6' up a shepherd's hook in prime sun, and she blooms pretty steadily and has mostly flexible canes that could drape down the side of your slope if you planted her mid-bed. She's ridiculously hardy in our zone 5b, and can easily be trimmed back if she gets out of hand. She's at least average on the thorniness, however, which might make Sweet Chariot a little less risky for your purposes. Cynthia |
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| Somebody said Sweet Chariot grows more upright in the ground than in a basket. I had some fabulous potted ones and they are in the ground and not doing any trailing whatsoever. This rose seems not to like alkaline soil so I'm thinking of moving them to a big barrel with more acidic soil like they had in the 3 gallon pots when they were covered in blooms. I've always like Raubritter and wished some day there will be a repeat blooming version. I have Pomponella but that's a huge upright reaching shrub. |
RE: What roses would elegantly cascade over a low wall?
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| Here is a pic of Climbing American Beauty - it is very flexible, although you would probably have to train it sideways along the wall. HMF says it is hardy to zone 5b. Jackie |
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