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| I need a pink rose to replace Munstead Wood in a sunny pot. It must be very, strongly scented and not too big. I am thinking about Comte de Chambord. Has anyone tried it in a hot, sunny position? Daisy |
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- Posted by nikthegreek 9b/10a E of Athens (My Page) on Sun, Dec 29, 13 at 15:38
| Yes I have Daisy. I am ambivalent about him. Seems to go in survival mode in the summer (some summer pruning helps) and rejuvenates with a glorious fall flush or three. Which means that for me it doesn't fry its blooms in the summer because it doesn't have any... It is all blooming right now but it has a tendency to ball in wet conditions and seems to be affected by botrytis blight also. It has also experienced a bit of 'Damask crud' during high summer. Just sitting beside him, in pots also, I have two specimens of the modern Kordes 'Beverly' rose. Now this is strictly classed as an HT but it is not of the ugly leggy stiff type. In fact it is quite bushy and shrub-like, with quite airy looking flowers with a bit of a weak neck (but not overly so) and a fragrance which, while less complex than the Comte's, is quite strong and old rose like with a hint of fruit also. It's fragrance seems to be there 24/7 and the blooms also last quite well in the vase (for a thin petalled rose). This has been a constant bloomer for me. By constant I mean that the only time it is not blooming is when it's pruned. Add to this the fact that it is very disease resistant and you have a very good rose in my view. These roses are the same age as my Comte but have grown a bit bigger than him although not unmanagebly so. Large pot only. PS. In the UK this is marketed as Pink Perfection but you may also be able to obtain it from Greece. If you're interested I can send you details. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Beverly
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 0:26
| Nik, your Beverly seems to fit the bill perfectly. What a beauty! I must admit I was unsure about Comte de Chambord, as I had read that it flowered better in cooler weather. As my garden is so tiny, everything has to work hard. I don't have the space to allow plants to have too much time off. I haven't planted a hybrid tea rose since 1965 when I first started gardening. I grew The Doctor. It was the first rose I ever had. I loved it, it was a good rose. |
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- Posted by nikthegreek 9b/10a E of Athens (My Page) on Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 0:47
| Hi Daisy, You can try contacting Dimitris at Greenleaf garden center in the city of Kalamata. He imports Kordes roses and offers a courier dispatch service to all of Greece. He also imports some other hard to find in Greece plants like hydrangea cultivars. Mail: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Greenleaf Garden Center - Kalamata
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- Posted by nikthegreek 9b/10a E of Athens (My Page) on Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 1:06
| Additionaly, if you are interested in classic HT's and floribundas along with a large selection of ground covers, you can peruse Greece's largest rose nursery Avramis' in Northern Greece. They offer a large selection of older bare-roots field grown by them. The understock they use is mostly R. indica major, an understock well suited to local conditions which, of course, is not widely used in Northern Europe. They offer an excellent dispatch service and at extremely competitive prices. The problem with these guys is that their selection of more recent cultivars is very limited. In addition they tend to rename many roses, amongst them out-of-patent but trademarked ones so it is often difficult to know which rose exactly is the one they are selling. Add to it the fact that they offer also hybrids of their making which they don't bother to register and the situation becomes confusing. Also, the English version of their site leaves much to be desired (try clicking the David Austin tab, see what happens..). It's better to try perusing the Greek version of the site. Nik |
Here is a link that might be useful: Avramis nursery
This post was edited by nikthegreek on Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 1:08
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| Comte de Chambord goes into coma in high summer. I got rid of him precisely because my garden is small and everything has to perform for me. Even Charles de Gaulle (hybrid tea) doesn't fare well in summer here. Regensberg (floribunda - deep pink with white centre). It turns pale pink in high summer but I think it might do if the pot is in half shade, as it's a truly lovely rose. According to HMF it has "Mild to strong, fruity fragrance" but for me it didn't have any. Maybe it's only me. Golden Celebration also didn't have any fragrance for me in my own garden, though it did have some at a neighbour's garden.
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Here is a link that might be useful: Regensberg
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| Clarification: It turns pale pink in high summer when it's in a full-sun position. Last summer I saw a bunch of municipal Regensbergs blooming away in mid-summer with only this colour change. In the part shade of my garden the colour was almost unchanged. What I like about this rose is the silvery tint of the back of the petals when they unfurl. It's the only rose I sometimes have second thoughts about after getting rid of. If I'm not careful l might end up buying it again. So floriferous. |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Wed, Jan 1, 14 at 4:05
| WinterCat, I too love Regensberg, it is a lovely prolific bloomer. Unfortunately, I cannot smell it either and I really need a very smelly one. Nik, thanks for the link for Greenleaf Garden Centre. They have a few other things on their web site I would also like, but they won't be ready until spring. As their roses are pot grown, I can have Beverly delivered in the spring with a few other plants. That is great, I am really looking forward to seeing it. Daisy |
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- Posted by nikthegreek 9b/10a E of Athens (My Page) on Wed, Jan 1, 14 at 4:37
| Hi Daisy, They import bare-roots in fall and they pot them up in 5lt pots afaik. So I believe you could have them any time. Rootstock is R. canina I believe (what the Germans mostly use) so I would be careful not to plant the rose into too alkaline soil, but since it will be potted it will be easy to take care of that. |
This post was edited by nikthegreek on Wed, Jan 1, 14 at 4:42
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