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| I started a band in my front yard this year. Not alot of info about it itself on the web just its offspring. |
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| R. centifolia, and its kin R. damascena, are interesting in that, though at least some state that there was or is an original species (for instance, Rau was supposed to have found the original of R, centifolia in northern Persia in 1816), nobody seems to sell them or grow them. Where did you get your band? I suspect that what you have is that great ambassador for Roses, the historical and long-loved variety 'Common Centifolia'. |
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| I got my band from rogue valley roses. I am zone 5 hope it does good its in a spot were many can see it. |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sun, Dec 1, 13 at 10:43
| We ended up with two of them. One has pretty much stayed put. The other turned Napoleonic on us and had to be exiled. It gets 'gallica rust' here which is a browning of the leaf edges for some unknown reason. It can be very good, but not really a favorite. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Tue, Dec 3, 13 at 0:51
| 'Centifolia' is the commonest old rose where I live. I'm guessing it went out of fashion when repeat-flowering varieties showed up, but 'Centifolia' hangs on in usually-neglected patches in orchards and corners of neglected gardens and beside the road. It's a survivor. The plant is a bit scraggly and painfully thorny; it grows in a suckering clump like the Gallicas, gradually widening out, though I've haven't seen the Napoleonic tendencies mad_gallica mentions. I usually see it around a yard tall, but that's probably the result of starvation, and I suspect it would get up to 4'-5', perhaps more, with some care. It does get a bit of disease but is unkillable, at least around here. As I've hinted it's a frugal rose, easy to care for. The flowers are double and shapely, pure rose pink and purely rose fragrant. I like 'Centifolia' quite a lot: it's so tough and carefree, looking after itself, and the blooms are so quintessentially everything a rose should be. Melissa |
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- Posted by organic_tosca 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 19:08
| Melissa, I read somewhere that 'Centifolia' is the rose that the Romans grew and loved. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, I think it's wonderful that it's still growing all over Italy (or at least your part of Italy). Laura |
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| I have read that Centifolia is the rose that was grown for perfume in southern France. The flowers were described by Mrs. Keays in her book "Old Roses", as having "a delicious old-timey fragrance, like nothing else in rose perfume." Leonie Bell and Helen van Pelt Wilson call it "refined, with a note of olive oil that is at once cosmetic, feminine, and soothing" (see Bell and Wilson, The Fragrant Year, 1967, p. 134). Bell and Wilson say, "the plant is gaunt, throwing up 5-foot random canes that leaf out and bloom only at the tops, leaving the lower wood prickly bare. Grafted plants behave no better. To conceal the harshness, we plant Centifolias through the center of an old rose border with gallicas and other lower, bushy growers along either side. In June these support the Centifolias when they bend beneath the weight of blooms, so freights the air with scent that you can almost see it quiver with volatilization." The miniature varieties, such as Petite de Hollande, were forced in greenhouses and the flowers used to adorn ladies' spring hats and dresses. The first Moss roses originally sported from plants of Centifolia adding a piney, herbal note to the original suave perfume. |
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