Mmmmm, very pretty. I'd say tea or hybrid tea.

Funny...I was thinking that it looked like 'Souvenir de la Malmaison', which is a Bourbon-Tea.

:-)

~Christopher

It does look like Souvenir de La Malmaison. It also has big and long-lasting blooms. The pink fades on my flowers though, making them look more cream as they open. Does SDLM do that too?

Mine is still a baby, but the pink on it didn't last very long. It starts out just like the pic of the opening flower you posted, and finishes just like the last pic.

This is how mine came in April 2013, with that big gorgeous flower on it. The color is pretty accurate on my screen.

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This is about as pink as mine gets, then it fades as it completely opens.

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I think the fading is accelerated by warm temperatures, so I'd expect mine to be more pink in the first flush of the year, fading more slowly as it opens. But I'll have to wait until next year to know for sure. In any case, I think of SDLM as more white blushed with pink than actually pink.

:-)

~Christopher

Christopher, I'm just looking at a vase filled with SdlM blooms and they are solid pink all the way through. Even in the heat of summer, the flowers on the bush stayed pink, although I seem to remember when the rose was younger it paled in the heat, but not this year and I believe also not last year. I was surprised since so many people said theirs faded to a lighter color in the heat.

The foliage on Resolute's plant does not look typical for SdlM and actually neither do the flowers; they're not cupped enough and the center of the flower is not the same. It certainly is a gorgeous rose, though.

Ingrid

I'm sorry -- I don't know what this IS, but I am pretty sure it is NOT Souv de la Malmaison. (See below)

The bloom form is different, but look principally at the shape of the leaves, and their texture, and look at stipules ...

I could think this might be an early HT -- or some Tea -- or or or ...

Jeri

Yes.The leaves have noticeable veining on them and are more pointed and dark green.

To me the leaves on this mystery rose look very modern HT and not any kind of OGR. I don't know which one but I think this is a modern HT and not a Tea or China at all.

That's why I had my doubts Seil. The blooms do look a bit OGR-like but it does not nod too much like Chinas and Teas. It's quite fragrant for a regular HT sold here though, which are mostly scentless.

Also, another tidbit, it's own-root and I see multiple stalks coming out from one point on the ground.

I also think this is not an old rose. Maybe an Austin? If I look at the foliage -- it's not (for an immature plant) unlike that of Winchester Cathedral.

Take a look at St. Swithun. And particularly at Cymbeline.

Jeri

Yup, that's what I thought--modern leaves, bud & early bloom-- HTish, fully opened bloom--rather old fashioned--early HT/bourbonish--or is it a "modern reproduction"

Just my ignorant impression--very pretty rose. I enjoy these rose puzzles. Someone always points out tiny details I overlooked so I have to run outside & check my plants (like the Chrysler Imperial/Crimson Glory puzzle on the "ID this old crimson rose " thread.
(maybe it's OK or Mirandy!)

I think so, too. And I enjoy the puzzles, too. Even if I don't have an answer, they're still fun to mull over.

Anyway, looking at it, I think the rose in question here looks a LOT like 'Cymbaline.' (It's rarely as pink as the blooms I posted.) But of course, it could as easily be some other thing that I'm not familiar with.

Jeri

The stems are too long to be Souvenir de la Malmaison.
The color looks cream vs blush pink.

I dunno - i actually seriously considered Hume's Blush (or odorata or Spice). You may all have a good laugh but the leaves didn't even scream modern to me either.

The pedicles are as thin as a Polyantha.
That's what I'm thinking...

Lux

I also thought Hume's Blush, The Laos Form on HMF looks quite like it. Consider how close the Philippines is to Laos makes it all the more likely.

I don't think it's Cymbeline though. I can't describe the scent as something like myrrh at all. It's like creamy with a hint of tea.

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I got a picture of a bloom that's near to fading a two days ago. The blooms stayed on the plant for a long time actually, I had to pull them off since most of the petals were already drying out.

This is complete speculation, but how about a modern shrub rose with some Wichuriana in its ancestry, and possibly a descendent of 'New Dawn'? I may be influenced by the flower color. I too am baffled by the veining of the pointed dark leaves and by the fat buds.
Melissa

Is the rose "own root"? If so, it reminds me of the 1895 HT named Antoine Rivoire, which I grew some years ago. My only hesitation is the bloom size. Your photo shows the bloom looking small. I'm far from an expert but just my 2 cents worth.

Yes, it is own-root. The flowers are small because it's a young plant.

The pics of the buds and blooms and bluish foliage look a lot like my Spice. Is yours thornless? Lou

It's nearly thornless. I've seen one or two red hooked prickles so far on one of the stems.

I've had Spice for some years and the flowers are not nearly as well-formed as those shown here, much looser and with not nearly as many petals. Spice has a peppery fragrance. Mine is not thornless by any means, but the thorns are small and moderate.

Ingrid

Hmmm... so it's not Spice either. I'm starting to think this a new rose altogether and that it's yet to be named.