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Posted by eahamel 9a (My Page) on
Wed, Dec 5, 12 at 10:06

It has been unseasonably warm here (like it has been in much of the US!), and I still have many things in full bloom.

Here's a pic that has from left to right, brugmansia (still has about 25 buds), ornamental pepper way down low to the ground, Martha Gonzales rose, to the right of that is an unidentified rose that I got from ARE a long time ago (I'm sending them a pic and hope they can ID it), and the far right is the edge of Blush Noisette, which has gotten quite large.

It's a cloudy day here, this looks a lot better in full sun.


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The brugmansia - I've never seen that before. It is gorgeous. Does it need humidity, or do ok in dry air? Easy or difficult to grow?


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that's an awesome plant ... never seen that before in my cold zone 5a. Thanks for sharing.


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Oh I love your Brug! I just got one a few months ago about that color. Can't wait to see it in bloom!


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hi, Eahamel,
I enjoyed looking at your front bed and the brugmansia. I think it's also called datura or angels' trumpet. I really like 'Martha Gonzalez' and was happy to see it in your yard.

Funny story about the brugmansia. The first time I saw that plant my dh and I were somewhere in California staying at a b&b. I hadn't seen any kind of blooms quite like that before. I asked about it and if I could have a cutting or seeds. The owner hemmed, hawed and finally said "prob'ly not" which I thought was weird. Later while reading a local newspaper I saw an article about some kids that had been hospitalized from drug problems related to that plant; it is very toxic and has some hallucinogenic properties. I realized the owner thought I was going to smoke or eat the plant and that's why he wouldn't let me take any cuttings of it. I decided not to grow it after that, but I will say that the blooms are quite striking looking!


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The scent of these is absolutely divine in the evening.


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Here's a pic of a really big brug, to show everyone what they can do with the right conditions. This one is spectacular! No, it isn't my plant, unfortunately.

Floridarose, yes, I love to sit on my porch and enjoy the scent in the evening and morning.

Harborrose, brugmansia (angel's trumpet) and datura are related but aren't the same thing. It's not that easy to get seeds from a brug, but daturas are really easy, and that's the drug. I believe the datura blooms all face up, and brugs face down. You can't use the brug to make drugs, so I suspect you were looking at a datura.

Brittie, hi! This one came from Another Place in Time. I have 2 more that I got from a breeder in Florida that haven't bloomed yet, and one that came from Houston Garden Center that has bloomed a little, but this one is older and is a real trooper.

Strawberry, a lot of people in the north grow them in pots and bring them into a warmer space such as a garage when they go dormant in the winter. I saw one website, the man was growing a forest of them in a very cold climate. He would dig them up in the fall and let them go dormant, then plant them in the ground in the spring, and they would get very large and bloom a lot more than they do in pots. I thought this was a good idea, since they can get 8' tall and wide, at least.

Harmony, they're very easy, and you shouldn't have any problems growing them. They take a lot of water and a bit of fertilizer, but the low humidity shouldn't be a problem.

Oh, the unidentified rose under the window is Mlle. Franziska Kruger. I suspected that's what it was, and ARE just sent me an e-mail. It's getting moved to a better location soon, it is just sulking where it is - too close to the wall.


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Okay, but take a look at this from Wikipedia. I'm just sayin' ...

Toxicity

All parts of Brugmansia are poisonous, with the seeds and leaves being especially dangerous.[16][20] Brugmansia are rich in Scopolamine (hyoscine), hyoscyamine, and several other tropane alkaloids.[21] Effects of ingestion can include paralysis of smooth muscles, confusion, tachycardia, dry mouth, diarrhea, migraine headaches, visual and auditory hallucinations, mydriasis, rapid onset cycloplegia, and death.[22][23][24]

That picture is spectacular, though...

Here is a link that might be useful: wikipedia brugmansia


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They root extremely easily, for the most part and are quite easy to grow. Gophers, rabbits and squirrels leave them alone, probably due to their toxicity, but there are caterpillars which eat them as well as being favorites for snails and slugs. There are a number of huge ones here, primarily the yellow, pink and white. My sister has one in Newhall where it occasionally gets tipped back by frost. Lyn G. has a friend in the mountains around Weaverville, above Redding, who grows many of them, keeping them over wintered in her heated greenhouse. I was quite tickled to see them two weeks ago when I visited. They won't tolerate hard freezes very well, unless protected and in sheltered situations, but otherwise are easy to grow and quite long-lived in these parts. Kim


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Thanks for adding that, Kim. I wasn't saying not to grow it; my kids were small at the time so I passed on growing them. I think they are very cool looking, but it's important to know that they're toxic. That's all.


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Well, don't grow them for food! The alkaloids are pretty bad tasting, but if you have young children I'd pass on growing them. So many pretty things are toxic, like castor beans, tomato and pepper plants and eggplant plants, diffenbachia.


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Brugs are magnificent, the fragrance heavenly. I used to grow about 1/2 dozen varieties. When they reach tree-size it is enchanting to walk underneath the trumpets in the evening. They slowly swirl open at dusk. Yes, they do like rich soil & lots of water, but they do well in pots--you can overcrowd them & drag pots in to shelter or cover during freezes. Or you can just pot up some cuttings to carry over in winter & replant in spring--they grow fast. Or drag them into the house or garage & hold them over dry/semi dormant. I would think that in CA they would reach tree-sized with good watering. Lovely, lovely plants.

The daturas tend to poke their trumpets up, like jimpson weed. They are beautiful & fragrant, too, though not as gorgeous as brugs, IMHO. There's an ongoing discussion about how to classify the two forms.

Re. the toxicity; yeah, about once a year some idiot willfully poisons themselves--usually on jimpson weed. It's a first-time one-time thing because they are toxic, & the hyoscyamine, scopolamine, & other alkaloids aren't a *fun high*.

"Jimpson weed" is supposed to be a corruption of "Jamestown weed". There is a famous incident where the early settlers consumed some for greens & suffered the terrifying & sickening side affects.

Foxgloves, castor beans, aconite, oleanders--they're all poisonous, too, of course--and children need to be warned about them. But not even the most adventurous "experimenter* would ever try daturas or brugs if they've done even the most minimal research. Seems like everyone who ends up in the hospital from trying it is some teenage kid who ingested it deliberately. I would guess that the alkaloids would make them taste terrible & make them less a threat for children.

Heck, yeah, I plan on having them again when I have a good winter shelter for them.


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Bluegirl, fantastic info, thanks! You aren't very far north of me, I'm in Houston. I don't think your winters are very much colder than mine. Brugs will freeze to the ground and come back every year and will get larger than mine. I used to have a neighbor who always had wonderful brugs, and she would take cuttings every winter and keep them in a bucket of water in her little greenhouse. If her big ones didn't come back, she would plant the cuttings, and give some away, that's how I got my first ones. But mine died forever in the nasty, long-lasting freeze that we had a couple of Januaries ago. The one in the pic is a replacement, and it hasn't gotten as large as that one yet, and may not because of the way it's branched.

And I'm sure you're right about someone deliberately ingesting jimson weed to get an unpleasant high. They will also eat peyote cactus, and end up having an unpleasant time, too. I can't imagine anyone trying to eat a toxic plant since they taste so nasty, and don't see how even a curious child would eat enough to cause much harm, since the alkaloids taste so bad. But a doctor told me once about a family on a picnic, they cut branches from an oleander to stick their weiners on to roast, and all of them died when they ate them. If anyone but a doctor had told me that I wouldn't believe it.

The only toxic plant that I hesitate to grow is castor bean. There are some really pretty purple cultivars and I'd love to have one. But the seeds are really toxic, that's where the poison ricin comes from. Sometimes, a dog will eat one and it will kill the dog, and I have 2, so no castor beans for me, darn it.

Mexican oleander is another beauty that's toxic. That hard freeze killed mine, too. I hesitate to replace it because of its large seed, which is quite toxic, but I really miss that small tree.


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Lovely photo. I'm really fond of Brugmansia but it's too cold here. We had one for a few years that we moved inside in the winter, then we just gave up.


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I just can't get over the "cool" factor of those photos. And it would be inspiring to be able to plant something WITHOUT a gopher cage around it. I've never seen one before ... might just have to explore adding one ... who konws where?


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Very pretty, eahamel. I was surprised to see them growing in shade here as an understory tree. They freeze back to the ground here, too, and typically come back. I suppose cuttings are a good idea. Maybe I'll try one in my shade bed.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...


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Eahamel, I used to live SW of Houson, on the coast. I had brugs planted in the beds & potted a few each fall for insurance--I'd give these away in spring. I never had any desire to plant castor beans, but a friend did, to disguise a sheet-metal barn. That dang thing grew to the roof, ~15', in one season. It was a purple one & quite pretty, but it just gave me the creeps because it's so poisonous. Same with oleanders. You see them planted along the coast because they are so tolerant of the heat, wind & salt. They are really quite beautiful in bloom & I wouldn't kill one already planted, but have no desire to plant one. I've heard the wiener-roasting story but wasn't sure if it was true--how awful.

But BRUGS, oh, brugs *sigh*---truly angels' trumpets. If you other posters haven't seen one blooming, you'll think I'm exaggerating when I tell you the flowers are a foot long, 6" wide at the open end, intoxicatingly fragrant, & they hang on the plant 30 or more at a time. It used to astonish me when folks in that area, where they do so well, would stop, slaw-jawed, & ask: "what IS that?". Maybe it's the 'druggie or poisonous rep', I don't know, but I think they are glorious & I miss them & my gingers a LOT. Cheers:)


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Every now and then a group of teenagers in Florida will brew up a pot of "jungle juice" because they've heard they can get high on it and fry their kidneys when they ingest it.


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Yes, they are pretty large. Here's a pic of one with my hand in the pic, so you can see how large they get. That's a bud that's forming just above my hand; looks like a pod but it's a bud.

Some get larger. There are also doubles,I have 2 that I got from a seller in Florida, but they aren't blooming yet.


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There's also a red one, but when I tried to get it, it was oly available in Germany. That was several years ago. I haven't checked recently.


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I tried sanguina from seed & cuttings but couldn't get it to do. My favorite was a huge salmon colored one like Eahamel's pic. don't know if it was a named variety but it was the best grower & bloomer--got roof-high like the one in the photo, I regularly counted 30-40 huge blooms on it. I *think* it may have come from Logee's--they carry a lot. Or I might have gotten it in a trade. Catalog prices are high, but they are so very easy to root, even from big stem cuttings that I'd encourage people to ask around for them or swap.

I had a single yellow, too, a single white & the 'tube in a tube' double yellow. Re. daturas, I had regular jimpson weed & a common double white with eggplant-purple outside that was very vigorous. Seems like many of the daturas set seed but most of the brugs don't. Just my ignorant recollection.


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You need an unrelated brug to set seed. You can't make seed from 2 of the same variety, since all of them came from the same original plant. They don't self-seed. I tried to pollinate one once and it didn't succeed, and that's why.

There are some good hybrids available on e-bay sometimes. I got two from Sommergardens that are doubles. Unnamed common ones are available at local nurseries for very reasonable prices, like $7.95 for a 6" pot, that's what the one in the pic was.

I don't think sanguinea grows well in lower, warmer climates. I've never seen it at a nursery here and a local nurseryman told me they won't grow here.


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Thanks for the info! GardenWeb has a Brugs forum--just imagine :) Check out HoustonAngelMan's FB page--Wow! Okay, I'll get off this tangent before people start throwing things.

Umm, nice ROSES, too :p


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Bluegirl, I posted my pic here because the brug forum is just about dead. :)

Thanks for the info about HoustonAngelMan!

And that Martha Gonzales rose is in full bloom and loaded with buds!


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I got blooms for the first time this year, after trying to grow it in a large pot and battled what I think was red spider. Finally put it in the ground after becoming very frustrated, and it took off, got blooms this summer, and huge, no pest problems! Just took cuttings off the branches, put in water in my outdoor shed, am hoping they will get roots. Am hoping the original plant can make it through this winter -fun plant to grow!


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  • Posted by seil z6b MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Dec 7, 12 at 16:45

I love them! Such an amazing display! Unfortunately there's no way they'd winter here, lol!


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Bu..bu..but Seil--they grow to tree size IN A POT!

Seriously, a 10 gallon pot will hold a 5'+ brug tree, & the plant will be a bloomin' fool once mature. I used to overwinter 1" stems jammed a dozen or more in a 5 gallon pot with just a few fistfuls of dirt in the bottom. I'd cut them off my bedded trees just make sure I had some if I lost the trees outside. Yeah, they're gorgeous in beds during the warm season, but they really do well in a pot, indoors, too.

Get your plants established outside in pots then bring them inside to enjoy. Cold climate culture is similar to the huge plumeria 'trees' you see in nurseries for huge buck$.

(I sound like a brug salesman, but just don't want cold-winter folks to think they can't have these gorgeous tropicals)

Oh, yeah, nice Martha Gonzales


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The neighbors have (had) a nice yellow brug. Theirs seems to be less than happy with the last pruning it got. Guess next time I should prune a bit....lol

(Actually I want a pink one and theirs is yellow so it will not be meeting my pruners)


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I used to have two Brugmansias in pots, when I lived in England. Every winter, I cut them hard back and dragged the pots into a unheated, completely dark garage. When it warmed up, many months later, I simply pulled them out, gave them some water, and up they came again.
I have planted two Brugmansias earlier this year here.
Strangely, they have grown a lot more slowly, than they did in England. Only one of them has flowered so far, although the second one is now forming buds.
This is Langanbuscher Garten.

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The other one, in bud, is a pink one called Bergkoginin.

Nerine oleander is used extensively here, planted all along the roadside for miles and miles.
They have no extra watering, only what they receive as rainfall in winter.
They bloom for months in summer, making any car journey a joy. Each turn of the road shows you the pink,red and white blossoms, against the beautiful Cretan landscape.
On a more practical note, another reason for planting them there, is to teach the local sheep and goats that there is nothing for them to eat along the roadside.
It is a beautiful way to keep the traffic accidents down!!!
Daisy


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Daturas are extremely toxic...one of my FB friends lost her kitty last year when kitty chewed on the plant. Beautiful to look at, but dangerous if you have children or inquisitive furbabies.


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