Return to the Antique Roses Forum | Post a Follow-Up

 o
What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Posted by bman1920 5b (My Page) on
Sat, Dec 14, 13 at 10:07

Lets forget about the flower( i know its hard ). What bush would you grow just for the beauty of the shrub?


Follow-Up Postings:

 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

The first that comes to mind is Metis. Beautiful R. nitida-style foliage and unusual red in the canes.

Here is a link that might be useful: Metis on HMF


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

In the land of at least semi-leaflessness I would choose Duquesa and Clotilde Soupert. Duquesa is nearly perfect, and CS is very, very good. Very bushy bushes.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

  • Posted by Evenie 9b - New Orleans (My Page) on
    Sat, Dec 14, 13 at 11:30

Monsieur Tillier's foliage always looked fabulous, despite his quarter-sized roses for most of the year in my climate. His leaves were distinctly blue-green and never, ever spotted. He grew evenly and quickly and I think he must be an epic rose elsewhere.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

There are many beautiful ones such as R. glauca that I've never seen, but in my own garden I would have to say Mutabilis.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Rosa Roxburghii since it has such interesting leaves and hips. In my climate it is also just about indestructible.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

I agree with both Ingrid's choices and with Rinaldo's--I wish I could grow R. roxburghii decently here--but what moved me to comment is my total agreement with Evenie about 'Archduke Joseph'. It does have notably beautiful foliage, which in winter here turns a dark burnished hue, almost black. And in my climate the flowers get considerably larger than quarters. This is the rose I'm trying to train through a persimmon, so far successfully. "Epic" is indeed the word for it. Or "dreamy".
Some roses have excellent fall color, a fact I take into account here where so few plants color well in the autumn. Some of the Rugosas have flaming fall foliage, though unfortunately they do poorly with me. And R. hugonis colors very well, and is interesting and good in every way, except in its susceptibility to cane girdler.
Melissa


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Louis Riel - a lovely glauca/spin hybrid. Ghislaine de Feligonde and its parent, Goldfinch, both have really good solidly healthy fresh foliage and a good shape.
R.cantabridgiensis - ferny foliage early in spring set against the deep red new wood.
Moyesii, although a gaunt monster, has some real presence in my garden as I have limbed up the trunk to an enormous tree-like shape...and the heps are terrific.
Finally, Splendens, an Ayreshire hybrid, has amazing canes, more like a liana than anything, which weaves effortlessly around sweet pea supports( or beanpoles, tripods, even drapes over the fruit cages) - infinitely malleable and again, many perfectly round heps.

Yeah, I know that is more than one but every rose I grow must have considerably more going for it than a delicious bloom.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Rosa minutifolia (the oldest rose AFAIK)
Rosa omeiensis 'Pteracantha'
Wild Edric
Snowbelt/Cassie
R. primula

Photo is of R. minutifolia at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden in Claremont, CA. Sorry it has a few flowers on it! But the foliage really is minute, and reminds me more of a fern than a rose. Unique! Sadly extinct in the wild in California due to development. There are still stands in existence in Baja California (Mexico) in the wild. In the US it is found in botanic garden collections and those of us private gardeners fortunate enough to buy from these sources. Will die if overwatered.

Pteracantha has glorious winged red thorns. So striking in the garden! Not picky about care. In other words I've neglected this rose and it is perfectly happy.

Wild Edric's foliage is lush and beautiful for most of the year. All wavy wavy rugosa and a pretty, restful shade of green. Drought tolerant and low calorie.

R. primula is very stately in growth habit with her arms gently swaying in the breeze, perfuming the garden with incense. Tough as nails. Great for the lazy gardener.

Snowbelt/Cassie is a small mound of green. She likely would be attractive without flowers, but is rarely without at least a couple, even in winter. But since she blooms so much she is also often covered in orange red hips, so Cassie features multiple colors pretty much all the time. Not fussy.

Melissa


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

I like r. Primula and the other early yellows. Also some Gallicas, especially the small Alain Blanchard. The polyanthas have a nice, branching shape.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Early Rugosa's.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Rosa californica Plena because it almost screens the house of one of my neighbours to the east, the only side of the garden with no boundary hedge. The shrub is beautiful in itself as well.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

I've long found a number of my own creations as, if not more, pleasing than many of the commercial roses I've grown. Annie Laurie McDowell is the prettiest climbing rose plant I've grown yet. I truly enjoy both Carlin's Rhythm, Lynnie, Little Butterfly and Too Cute as plants as well as for their flowers. Lauren also looks good with, or without flowers. I love the autumn foliage I'm seeing on many of them such as Porcelain Rose, Lynnie, Indian Love Call and 1-72-1Hugonis.

Some of the newest seedlings are really showing wonderful autumn coloring, too. One, in particular, has really colored up. April Mooncrest X Pookah was quite pleasing this summer. Fragrant, not too prickly, repeat flowering with pretty foliage, but now, what coloring! Autumn foliage in "The Land of Endless Summer" can be hard to come by. When I can raise seedlings which are healthy, productive, pretty AND colorful in autumn, I consider it a win-win! Photos are posted below. Kim

April Mooncrest summer foliage
DSCN5382

April Mooncrest flower
DSCN5300

Autumn coloring of the seedling today
DSCN5880
DSCN5889
DSCN5900
DSCN5901

1-72-1Hugonis
DSCN5870
DSCN5871

Porcelain Rose
DSCN5896
DSCN5895


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

I love the shape and the bushy, full-look of the China Ducher. When seen out of bloom, anyone would think it had been planted just to be a lovely medium-sized shrub. The foliage is thick and healthy. Lou


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 17, 13 at 18:42

If I had the space, I'd love to have 'R. glauca' as a specimen shrub. I know it's been mentioned already, but the pictures I've seen of it are so beautiful, I felt it needed reiteration.

:-)

~Christopher


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Phillistine that I am, none - not even the mosses nor R. eglantera. If it's a rose, it must have a blossom and it better have good fragrance to boot. I know that other plants are grown for foliage alone but a rose offers so much more. How can one be satisfied with less?

Cath


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

  • Posted by AquaEyes 7 New Brunswick, NJ (My Page) on
    Wed, Dec 18, 13 at 0:38

Cath, I agree somewhat, but mostly because of what I've come to associate with the word "rose" and what I'd expect to see in a plant sold under that name. However, what I think of when I look up various species or species-hybrids is not "rose" but "flowering shrub", and when I do that, I give a much more "whole-plant" evaluation.

Seeing an Autumn-foliage (or even Winter-defoliated) species rose heavily laden with hips (and against a snowy background, even better!) is nicer than what I'm seeing on most of my babies right now. Unfortunately, with a tiny yard, I have to make a big impact -- so I planted "roses" as opposed to "flowering shrubs" which also happen to be roses, since I am already working around a few "non-flowering shrubs" in the way of arbor vitae. If I was starting a bigger yard from scratch, I'd utilize those "flowering shrub" species and species-hybrid roses as the first layer of the foundation instead of other non-rose "flowering shrubs", working my way down through the various classes -- where I'd plant forsythia, I'd instead plant one of the Spring-blooming yellow species, for example.

:-)

~Christopher


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Understood, Cath, so let's make it easier on you. Which of your roses are so pretty as foliated shrubs, you ENJOY looking at it between flushes of flowers? Many are just down right unsightly without color on them. Which of yours pleases your eye even when they aren't colorful? Kim


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

OK, Kim. I don't care what the bloom looks like on that gorgeous-foliaged seedling. I'll take two, lol.

John


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Thanks John. I don't know how hardy it might be, but with a dose of Buck rose, at least two doses of multiflora, at least one of wichurana and Centifolia, it should have some hardiness. It may remain a shrub or it might try to climb, but some of that should depend upon climate. I'll try wrapping it next month to see if I can get it to root. I haven't tried yet as it only germinated this past January. If it roots and you still want to try it, it's yours! Kim


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Lady Hillingdon. The wine colored new growth, deep green mature foliage ; combined with the buttery yellow/apricot blossoms. Well it just Makes me smile.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Righto Kim.

I'd have to say that to me the albas are the most pleasing rose plants, specifically White Rose of York and Mme Plantier. However in the interest of full disclosure, I must say that WroY is on its way out (some kind of cane tunneler - for want of a better term) and Mme P is recovering from a too close encounter with Syringia lacinata, Cut-leaf Lilac. I like this because I can get my lilac fragrance fix and yet it does not get too big - about 6'.

Kim, I didn't realize at first that you could use this information in your breeding.

Cath


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Chris,

White Rose of York has nice hips. I know that many relate best to Gallicas, others to Teas and yet others to Chinas. For me it is the Albas, the species (although experts might argue the species issue) with the mostest. And I cannot put my finger on quite "why?". The fact that they are once blooming is a definite negative and yet...and yet.

Cath


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Honestly? Probably not any.

I do care about the shrub but I grow roses for the flower and scent. If there were no flowers whatsoever involved I would probably stick to conifers for my shrubs, along with other shrubs that have fragrant leaves.

Rosefolly


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

Any information about why a product of any kind is popular is always beneficial for the creation of other potentially successful and beneficial products. I do know what you mean about the Albas, though. When I've seen them well grown, they are beautiful plants! Thanks. Kim


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

alba semi plena for the blue green leaves and hips.
R. arvensis for foliage
R. helenae for foliage
The Incense Rose for fragrance of foliage as well as beauty.
Eglantine for a big scented bush.
all the spinosissimas for fern like foliage and cool hips.

Lux.


 o
RE: What rose would you grow just for the shrub?

The ferny, delicate (though tough as nails!) foliage in that lovely color, on the bronze-red wood and red hips are what attract me to the yellow Chinese species, too. I've raised quite a few Hugonis hybrids this year and am more than eager to see what they'll turn in to with maturity. Kim


 o Post a Follow-Up

Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum.

    If you are a member, please log in.

    If you aren't yet a member, join now!


Return to the Antique Roses Forum

Information about Posting

  • You must be logged in to post a message. Once you are logged in, a posting window will appear at the bottom of the messages. If you are not a member, please register for an account.
  • Please review our Rules of Play before posting.
  • Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review your post, make changes and upload photos.
  • After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
  • Before posting copyrighted material, please read about Copyright and Fair Use.
  • We have a strict no-advertising policy!
  • If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
  • If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.


Learn more about in-text links on this page here