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| I'm hoping for suggestions for a couple roses to grow into some pine trees in my zone 7, blackspot haven with minimal to no spraying. They would need to tolerate a bit of shade, but I think they would get some morning sun and some afternoon sun. They'd also need to be aggressive enough to compete with the pines for food and water. Once bloomers are fine. In fact one great big show once a year then going green and visually fading back into the branches is ideal. I've already got a young Lady Banks that needs to be moved from its current spot that can go in under one tree, but I've got at least 2 (maybe 3!) great spots I could find roses for. American Pillar is on my maybe list, one advantage is Lady Banks blooms very early in the season and American Pillar later in the Spring. I've got this row of trees that goes along my driveway with several individual trees that I think might be perfect. Several years ago we had to thin out some trees that had been planted too close together and it has left bare areas in the pines that those trees were growing into. I think the gaps are crying out for roses! Here's a picture of one of the trees with a bucket showing placement: |
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- Posted by maureeninmd z6 MD (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 12:55
| I have American Pillar growing up a large pine and it's doing very well. I'm glad I chose it as its bold color really shows up against the needles. City of York would do well also - I have it in a very dry area near a pine. |
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- Posted by Sidos-House 7 NC (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 12:57
| I asked for advice several months ago on a similar topic. LUXROSA gave me this very helpful guidance. I share it here, not knowing if it is considered bad manners to cut and paste and post another poster's response. I hope you have good luck achieving this romantic look. (It's too soon to tell but so far my Albertines are looking good planted at the base of their cedar trees. Based on Luxrosa's response below, Albertine might be one to consider.) Evergreen trees usually shade roses too much for them to bloom well, and their large root system would cause root competition for space and nutrients with a rosebush. The only type of rose I would try growing on an evergreen tree is a tough rose species or species hybrid. Since 'Albertine' is a species hybrid, and I have had personal experience with it being very tough and very forgiving, that is the first rose I'd suggest. Good luck and if you try this please let us know if it is sucessful. |
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- Posted by jacqueline3 9CA (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 13:02
| Although HMF says that Lady Banks is cold hardy to zone 6b, I would be careful with it - see if you can place it somewhere where it will get some protection from winter freezes, with preferably a Southern exposure. For more cold hardy climbers, I would recommend Cl Iceberg (hardy to cold zone 4), and Sombreuil (aka Colonial White). Sombreuil is said to be a winchurana hybrid, and I suspect is much more cold hardy than HMF's zone 6. Both will grow in partial shade. In my CA zone 9, my Sombreuil has grown up over 35 feet, so even in your zone 7 it should grow tall enough to be a tree climber. You can see tons of pics of Cl Iceberg - just google it. Jackie |
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- Posted by lavender_lass WA zone 4 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 15:08
Maybe Veilchenblau? That's been hardy in my garden, but is growing up a plum tree, not a pine. Here's a picture (not mine) but it gives you an idea :)
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| Wedding Day, Cedric Morris, Seagull, even The Garland or Kiftsgate - but one of those huge ramblers....or a species such as soulieana, mulliganii or helenae or, if not too tender, brunonii or one of the musk hybrids (moschata can cope with a little shade). |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 16:40
| Well, it looks like a white pine. If that is what it is, it is a toddler still. It will be about 30 ft taller in about 15 years. So almost capable of *outgrowing* any rose you try to send up it. It is definitely capable of outcompeting anything near it, which is why there isn't any grass there. Around here, where they both grow wild, even multiflora won't go near those trees. |
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| Thanks for the suggestions everybody! Keep in mind that blackspot resistance is a big, big factor here. mad_gallica, They aren't white pines, we're way too far south for those. I've had a landscape architect tell me they were loblollies--although we're at the very northern range for them so maybe that's why that don't seem so aggressive--I've been here 5 years and they've grown but not so excessively. I do have to clean out multiflora grown from seeds the birds bring in under them every few years. Because they finish shedding their needles right before this photo there is actually grass under them that you can't see--at least in the gaps there is. But it does sound like I need to focus on very vigorous roses. Jackie, the Lady Banks I want to move is currently thriving in a sport a lot less protected than this! It was a gift that I would have never bought myself so if it doesn't work no big loss there! The gaps in the trees make for a SSW exposure. I've already dug and amended (big) holes with a copious amount of horse manure compost with the plan to let it sit over winter for spring planting. I was actually surprised with how little root resistance we had while digging. Of course now that it is amended it might be a different story in a year! |
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- Posted by cemeteryrose USDA 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 18:41
| The giant Banksia normalis going 60 ft up a pine tree in the Sacramento cemetery is planted two feet from the base of the tree, on the west side. It helps that our climate is great for these roses but I can definitely attest that a vigorous rose will compete quite well with a Canary Island Pine for sunlight, water and nutrients. The canes clamber until they reach the sun - the pine branches grow out further to get more light, too - someday the weight of the rose will bring down the tree but let's hope that's many years from now. We also have a yellow Lady Banks in a cypress tree. Roger Phillips in his London garden had Mlle Cecille Brunner going up a tree - I've seen photos and it was truly spectacular - the tree did fall down, probably after 25 years after the rose was planted. He also has quite a few tea-noisettes such as Alister Stella Gray. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Photos of Sacramento Cemetery Banksiae
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 19:45
| I haven't tried growing a climber up a pine in my zone, but the roses that have established pretty well to climb up my very large Burr Oak tree in my back yard are: New Dawn, Secret Garden Musk Climber (has been quite hardy though only rated to zone 6), and Pinkie climbing. I've added some once bloomers on the other side that I can't vouch for surviving our winters and I think my Velchenblau is in its second year around the tree. And yes, I'm hoping they all climb together in one glorious mass confusion, or worst case scenario duke it out for supremacy. My style is to like rose chaos - however the trunk is big enough for two people to barely circle it with their arms, so the tree can handle some tough company. You obviously have more choices in zone 7, and you want to pick roses that are drought tolerant as much as anything since pines are more stingy with water. Still, as long as the roots are planted at a safe distance from the tree and the tops hardy in your zone, you could certainly train it up a well-established tree. Cynthia |
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- Posted by rosecavalier 3 AB (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 16:26
| Lavender Lass's suggestion...Veilchenblau...comes to mind immediately I would be leary about putting it under a pinetree...mad gallica's comments concur with my observations...i.e. not much grows under a mature pine tree but with some compensating effort, you may be successful. |
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- Posted by Sidos-House 7 NC (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 17:02
| Oh, lovely. That's what mine looks like in my dreams! What a pretty garden. I love it, Rose Cavalier. |
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| Some of the roses that grow 'gone wild' under up and through trees in Tennessee are American Pillars and Dorothy Perkins. I don't have pines, so I can't comment on the soils that you have to deal with under them, but I would keep away from any rose on Dr. Huey. Multiflora rootstock seems to like your pines, so I'd go with them. I have American Pillars, Pauls Himalayan Musk, Vielchenblau, Tausendschoen, and Fortuniana going up my trees (mostly walnut trees which don't seem to bother these with the Juglans problem. One thing to watch for is wind direction; the wind is going to control how the rose grows. Wind will push the canes and if you take advantage of that, life's a lot easier. |
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