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Wed, Dec 12, 12 at 13:34
| This rose is growing through an elderflower bush in our village's churchyard. I have also seen it along the roadside, usually near a village or house. It seems to flower most of the time. It has a lovely sweet scent. Does anybody know what it is? I took these photos this morning. It is looking a bit tatty, after the strong winds we have been having. Daisy
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- Posted by jeannie2009 PNW 7/8 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 12, 12 at 17:21
| Hi Daisy. What a lovely rose to find. I'm not quite sure, but I thin k it is Quatre Saison otherwise known as Autumn Damask. If it is, I believe it is one of the oldest Damask's which repeats. Rogue Valley Nursery has a lovely explanation of this rose. Jeannie |
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| No. Not Autumn Damask, I think. The foliage doesn't fit that rose. Look at Autumn Damask in HelpMeFind, and you'll find several good looks at the foliage -- which is quite distinctive. I'd rather guess this rose has some China in its background, somewhere. That would account for its continuous bloom -- where Autumn Damask is inclined to bloom in spring, with a repeat in Fall Take a look, instead, at 'Hermosa': Go through all of the images there, and you will find some that show you the leaf and stipule. Jeri |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Hermosa' at HelpMeFindRoses
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Wed, Dec 12, 12 at 23:58
| I agree with Jeri: definitely not 'Quatre Saisons', for the reasons she gives (also, QS, like many Damasks, has highly distinctive tubular hips, not round like the ones in the photos); and my first thought was some kind of Bourbon or Hybrid Perpetual, though I have no idea which one. The photos are very good; can you describe the scent? If you've found the rose in several places, I would guess it's been spread around by rooted cuttings, so is likely an easy rose to propagate. Melissa |
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- Posted by daisyincrete 10? (My Page) on Thu, Dec 13, 12 at 3:28
| Thank-you all, but I am not sure. The hips on this rose, are quite a feature, but Peter Beales describes Hermosa as having no hips. Also, looking at photos of Hermosa, she seems to have more petals than this rose. Any other ideas? Daisy |
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| I'm not certain, but the first thing that pops into my head when I look at the pics is 'Reine Victoria' or a similar "shell rose" bourbon (i.e. a china-leaning bourbon). :-) ~Christopher |
Here is a link that might be useful: 'Reine Victoria'
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| Oh, I'm not positive it is 'Hermosa.' I'm just positive that it is not Autumn Damask. AND I am positive that its "pedigree" includes at the very least some China influence. A "China-leaning" Bourbon is quite possible. (In fact, 'Hermosa' might be called a "Bourbon-leading China.) :-) Jeri |
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| Definitely not Autumn Damask, and in fact, not from the Damask clan at all; the foliage, thorns and hip features all scream post-WW2 to me. |
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| I think Paul is on the right track. Whatever it is, I don't believe it is more than fifty to sixty years old, probably newer. Kim |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Thu, Dec 13, 12 at 23:59
| Paul and Kim, Could one or both of you step up to the lectern and explain why you think this is a modern, recent rose? Is it the cluster-flowering? Or what? Educate us, please. Melissa |
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| As Paul pointed out, nothing about the plant itself expresses OGR. The foliage, canes, hips, all have a "modern feel" to them. Each era of breeding has its own "feel", characteristics about it. This rose has the characteristics of a much more recent, more modern rose than anything in any OGR class. For many generations, roses with the "old fashioned look" to their flowers have been discarded in favor of the high-centered, HT look. It's only really been since 1960, with the introduction of Constance Spry, anything with the OGR look to its flower has found any real favor. With the advent of the Romantica roses, HT bushes with OGR flower forms have become more common. This plant is just more modern in its wood, prickles and foliage, regardless of what the flower looks like. What the precise name of the variety is, I haven't a clue. You've had many hundreds of roses in Europe we've never even seen over here. Kim |
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'Gertrude Jekyll' :-) Jeri |
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