I have own root plants of its parents, Jaune Desprez and Souv. de la Malmaison, that are thriving in my garden, so it seems likely that its hybrid should also do well on its own roots. I had intended to purchase a grafted plant from Pickering, but they have not listed this rose in their catalogue for several years. GdD is available from both High Country roses and Rogue Valley Roses on its own roots. Can anyone help me?

I'm sure there are places (SoCal?) where one could grow a decent plant of 'Gloire de Dijon' on its own roots, but I suspect it would take a decade to obtain a plant worth having, even in the best of climates.

Jeri

I am going to go ahead and order a GdD plant and attempt to grow it as an own root plant, but I will also propagate some multiflora and Dr. Huey plants to use as rootstock in the event that I get the same results that Paul and hoovb had in their gardens.

Thanks again for all your responses.

John

Burling is a truly gifted budder.

When I wanted a budded Crepuscule (because that will not grow here, own-root) I found that Burling did not have it.

The small plant I had here would have eventually died here, so I gave it to Burling.

Eventually, she gave me back a healthy budded plant, and now she has Crepuscule. Win-Win. :-)

Jeri

Thanks for your excellent suggestion. My work does bring me to the Visalia area from time to time. I have visited her nursery on 2 occasions and have picked up plants (all doing well) there several times and enjoyed chatting with her. I promised to bring her cuttings of a number of Austin roses that either were not patented or are now off patent. I have heard from many that she is an exceptional propagator of both own root and grafted rose plants.

John

The problem was an obvious one: Growing those classes of roses commercially in Canada's climate. A friend near Wilmington, NC purchased 'Marechal Niel' from Pickering the last season it was offered. Everytime I see that plant in bloom I asked my friend to kick me for not ordering one myself.

Jeri

I second the suggestion to ask Burling to custom bud it for you.

windeaux: I have 2 specimens of Marechal Niel growing as plants own roots that I got from Chamblees in Tyler, TX. I got a single gallon pot for around $9 which had 2 rooted cuttings in it. After 2 years, these plants have canes around 10-12 feet long. Do you know for certain whether or not Marechal Niel will grow well on its own roots in NC?

hoovb: are you suggesting that a more vigorous plant will result from buds grafted to Rosa fortuniana than those grafted to either Dr. Huey or Rosa multiflora?

Of course, the person who told me that lives almost to the CA desert in Valencia -- and so has sandy soil. OTOH, Fortuniana is pretty wonderful here, in my ancient seabed hillside "soil." Maybe not so much, if you had loamy or clay soil???

Jeri

I'm merely suggesting that's what I would try if I had the option. That poor GdD wimpling of mine is a sad, sad thing.

Rosefolly

Nice to hear from you. My job in agricultural research is very demanding during the months of summer through fall. I have a bit more free time now.

I have wanted GdD for some time but could not find it for a while even as an own root plant. The consensus of this learned group, it that it does poorly on its own roots. I have contacted Burling and she has agreed to make me a grafted plants. I will provide here with cuttings in the spring for this purpose, and also so that she can add it to her collection. I presume that she will start her own "mother plant" that can be used to perhaps make grafted plants for others who may want to add this rose to their gardens.

All the rooted cuttings (Felicite Parmentier, Petite de Hollande, Leander, and 'Barbara's Pasture Rose') have grown into good sized plants. We were able to root a cutting of 'Grandmother's Hat' and we now have a plant over 6 feet tall. I do hope that Quietness is doing well for you in your garden.

My garden is full of plants that make me think of the gardeners who gave me plants, or who introduced me to them. Just for example, 'Sunset' is Paparoseman, 'Constance Spry' is Bluesibe, and 'Quiteness' is, of course, John CA. I could go on.

Rosefolly

By the way, there is no evidence that Jaune Desprez was the seed parent. The breeder's family only said it was an unnamed yellow tea, so it may even have been bred by the same person. The Jaune Desprez idea was speculation, by Ellwanger I think, and used with a question mark in later books. Brent Dickerson accidentally dropped the question mark in The Old Rose Advisor, and it has been taken as gospel since then.

Jill

Lux

Linda,
If you ever saw my budded Pickering specimen circa 2002, when it was at its peak (I had to move it and it subsequently perished: my fault) you wouldn't entertain such a question. The first flush produced over 900 blooms.

I believe that most of the anecdotal reports of "worn out clones" come from people who have tried to grow it on its own roots, producing results that would certainly lead one to that conclusion. I assure you, when grafted onto good roots, this is an astonishingly vigorous plant, capable of outperforming many others of its type.

(It should also be noted that in the past 20 years, I have seen multiple selections sold and traded as 'Gloire de Dijon' which were in fact, not the correct variety. I am sure there have been cases where reviewers are comparing apples to oranges, in that situation. I feel that the cultivar offered by Pickering is most probably the "true" cultivar.)

Jeri

Jeri

A modern rose with similar flowers on an easy-to-grow plant is 'Papi Delbard.' It has almost the same color variations, deep yellow to cream, salmon, and pink variously blended. It smells like tropical fruit--bananas and something.

Ingrid

If they develop to the point that I notice it, some dwarf lavender handles the problem.

Jeri

Of course, that just highlights the fact that personal experiences are different, and the danger of extrapolating from that :)

Best wishes
Jon

One of my favorite roses is the Austin Cressida. She is bred from Conrad Ferdinand Meyer and Chaucer. CFM, which is a monster has Gloire de Dijon back one generation on one side. Cressida's flowers are similar to G de D and she performs exactly like G de D on her own roots in my experience. Large and vigorous grafted, a puny wimp on her own roots.

Rick