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| Im really interested in ogrs that stink up the garden. Im new to growing roses but i love strong and unique fragrance . |
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| The alba Felicite Parmentier! Also the damask York and Lancaster, and the rambler Paul's Himalayan Musk. Melissa |
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| The single form of 'Rosa moschata'. :-) ~Christopher |
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| When my Reine des Violettes is in full bloom you can smell from 10 feet away at least. |
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- Posted by melissa_thefarm NItaly (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 0:08
| bman1920, If you could post your zone where you indicate you location in the heading, it would be helpful. I mention this here because many of the roses with wafting fragrance that come to my mind might possibly be a bit tender where you live. Anyway: 'Mme. Plantier'--big semi-rambler. This is marvelously scented, and you can smell it from yards away. Once-blooming. 'Fruehlingsgold'--most beautiful Spinosissima, big shrub, scented like the species plus. Once-blooming. Many of the Pemberton Hybrid Musks have a sweet wafting fragrance: 'Moonlight', 'Cornelia' (excellent scent), 'Felicia' (exquisite: sweet with old rose), 'Vanity' (China scent which travels). These are the ones whose hardiness I'm not certain about. Repeat-flowering. I see now you specified OGRs, which most of these are not. The Hybrid Musks have been around for a while, and all of these are beautiful shrubs, so perhaps they'll interest you anyway. Melissa |
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| Im zone 5. And yes im interested in hybrid musks. Just wasnt sure if they would like my winters. Ive been using all the great advice from all the great people on this forum. This last summer was my first time with roses. Ive been addicted. |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Wed, Dec 4, 13 at 6:47
| I think some of it depends on where in the garden the roses are located. Glory of Edsel does a good job of stinking up the garden, though it usually has to compete with the lilacs. If the wind blows one way, the scent is spinossisima. If the wind shifts, it's lilac. Jacques Cartier can be smelled from across the driveway. Heavy damask scent that almost seems to rich to carry, this is the first thing visitors smell in rose season. Darlow's Enigma is the one rose I can tell has some flowers by scent before I see them. Most roses don't really waft scent, but this one does. The only other hybrid musk I've done well with is Trier. That one took a fair amount of sulfur at first, but seems quite presentable now. No idea how much it smells because it gets overwhelmed by the wild multiflora. In general, Pemberton HMs are iffy here hardinesswise. |
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| I have a darlows enigma cant wait for it to grow. I think ill stay away from hybrid musks for now. Theirs lots of albas and damasks still to get. |
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| Another vote for R. moschata, the single form, as the double form seems to block the scent from wafting from the center of the bloom. 'Secret Garden Climbing Musk' less wafting but a wonderful scent. 'Nastarana' a Noisette that re-blooms as quick as a China and has a scent that is spicy to me. When I have dead headed it with my fingertips and then gone later to the library the librarian has said "You've been working in your rose garden", "I can smell your roses on you today" 2-3 times. My freind Luanne says she can smell 'Bubble Bath' (3 plants in one bed, each arching and spreading 6 to 8' wide) in the same bed at Berkeley Public Rose Garden) from the parking lot, c. 100 feet away. Usually I can only smell one of the plants, next to my porch, from c. 12 feet away. Most fragrant rose, per square inch of petal, I've ever smelled; "Secret Garden Pink Noisette' at San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. It was as I would imagine smelling a pint of Damask perfume mingled with a pint of scent from R. moschata. I couldn't smell it across the garden, but I ruffled a few petals with my fingertips and the scent remained upon me for several hours, even after washing my hands. Now that is staying power. I would vote R. moschata and many of the close hybrids of it, among the Noisettes for the strongest wafting power. |
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- Posted by malcolm_manners 9b C. Fla. (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 0:02
| Agreed on R. moschata, single form. My record so far is being hit by it at nearly 200 yards, on a still, cool, somewhat foggy morning. But commonly it can be noticed at 20 or more yards. |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam so ca sunset 23 (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 14:30
| Oh you lucky ones that have rose fragrance that wafts. I remember we had one warm day where it was humid enough to get that and I was so happy. |
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| If we're including Polyanthas and Hybrid Musks (which, while cherished on this board, technically aren't OGRs, since the classes arose AFTER Hybrid Teas), then I'll add 'Marie Pavie', "Darlow's Enigma", 'Reverend Seidel' (not sure exactly what to call this one -- "moschata-hybrid" perhaps?) and 'Bubble Bath'. My "Secret Garden Musk Climber" smells great, too, but it hasn't offered more than one or two flowers at a time so far, so I can't really say whether or not its fragrance wafts across the yard. I'm sure there will be some others in my inventory which I'll add to this list, but I'm basing it on what I've experienced so far. Being as they were planted only this Summer, I'll find out next year about any others. :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by Nippstress 5-Nebraska (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 15:29
| I'm with you, Kittymoonbeam. I was getting rather depressed reading this list, since I have half a dozen of those roses listed and not one of them comes close to wafting ever - Darlow's Enigma, Secret Garden Musk, Reine des Violettes, Marie Pavie, Jacques Cartier, Cornelia, Penelope. In fact, not only do they not waft but except for RdV I have to stick my nose way inside the rose and sniff hard to detect a fragrance - I wasn't even aware that Marie Pavie had a scent. That's the downside of a dry climate I guess - the only things that waft at all are hyacinths and some white tree that blooms midsummer (not even lilacs waft). Oh wait, I forgot - the smell of manure definitely wafts. I was at my YMCA for exercise yesterday and in brisk 15 degree temperatures and no wind, there was an unmistakeable and unavoidable eau de manure from at least 24 blocks away. It figures, doesn't it. Needless to say, my opinions on fragrance are a bit skewed, but it's fun to read about the roses that are at least SUPPOSED to waft under better conditions. Cynthia |
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| Does 'Reverend Seidel' have a scent that is like R. moschata? -how big does it get? I love the sweet musk of R. moshcata, can't get enough of it, and though 'Pax' is very close in type of scent to it, I can only smell it when I'm 5' or closer to the bush. Lux |
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- Posted by saltzmanforest coastal CA (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 18:11
| I agree that sadly in our Mediterranean climate few rose or other scents waft. An exception is the winter bloom on our loquat trees - delicious and the bees love it. One OGR rose that has wafted for us in some years is Gloire des Rosomanes. |
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| To my nose, 'Reverend Seidel' smells like a mix of 'Rosa moschata' and "Darlow's Enigma". Considering its purported pollen-parent is 'The Garland', which itself is half 'Rosa multiflora', that makes sense. It's funny to me that the rose called "The Musk Rose" smells, to me, like cloves, while what I think of as a "musk scent" in roses is something coming from 'Rosa multiflora' descendents -- "Darlow's Enigma", 'Marie Pavie', many Hybrid Musks, etc -- but they don't have the clove scent. Maybe there is something in common that can be called "musk" as a base, but all I catch on 'Rosa moschata' is cloves, which is more sharp and perhaps overpowers the base. How bit does it get? Mine came as a band this year, so I can't say for sure. Based on how it's growing and comparing it to 'Rosa moschata', I'd assume it will probably get to be about the same size, though Vintage Gardens claims it's a bit smaller. It's hard to tell so early on. I have the two as "book-ends" in the same bed, so we'll see. :-) ~Christopher |
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- Posted by rosecavalier 3 AB (My Page) on Thu, Dec 5, 13 at 18:43
| In my garden...Madame Plantier...it should be hardy to your area...some growers think this rose is an alba...takes a while to get established and needs support. My MP is thornless and is 9ft tall (attached to house) and getting larger each year...and even though a once-bloomer, does have an extended bloom period...The number of flowers increases each year to a number exceeding what I thought was possible...probably why it has become a fragrance winner. Downside...doesn't drop it's petals...but I wouldn't be without it.
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- Posted by gnabonnand Zone 8 Texas (My Page) on Fri, Dec 6, 13 at 20:33
| Reine des Violettes - alway consistent and very "old rose" scent Duchesse de Brabant - softer, but my favorite scent of them all Marie Pavie & her sister Marie Daly - wafts on the breeze far from plant Pink Gruss an Aachen & orig Gruss - but only after blooms first open Belinda's Dream - strong delicious candy scent to me Souvenir de la Malmaison - not my favorite scent, but it's strong to me Randy |
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- Posted by kittymoonbeam 10 (My Page) on Fri, Dec 6, 13 at 23:49
| I planted my tangerine outside my window so I could have the fragrance of the flowers come in. But it takes a whole tree full of blossoms. My sweet olive tree will sometimes fragrance the air. Right now I can smell paperwhite narcissus in the garden. I'd love to see/smell a large R. moschata in bloom one day. |
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