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Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 22:29
| I planted this rose as a band in my Tea Row and it took off like gangbusters, but I see now that it has longer canes more like a climber than a bush, and I read in an on-line nursery, after the fact of course, that it can be grown as a climber. Does anyone have experience with growing this rose? I really need to grow this rose as a bush and wonder if I need to start pruning it soon in order to achieve that. Thanks for any info. Ingrid |
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| Ingrid, it sounds as though you may have gotten the climber, rather than the bush. Where did you order it? The sad fact is that many businesses are still selling the climber as the Tea. (Including, last I looked, ARE -- and J&P.) The REAL 'Mlle. de Sombreuil' is definitely a bush-form Tea Rose. If you have a vigorous climber, you probably have the Wichurana X imposter. Has it bloomed? Other than color, there's no similarity between the blooms. |
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| No Jeri, it's definitely the real deal, and mine has bloomed, and of course the blooms are vastly different. After asking this question I read on HMF that Cass (who unfortunately hasn't posted for a very long time) also mentioned that it had some climbing tendency. I can see this rose being used as a short climber, but not anything along the lines of the so-called Sombreuil. I think a little judicious pruning should probably do the job to keep it as a bush. I'm pleasantly surprised how quickly it took off compared to many of my other teas. Ingrid |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich (My Page) on Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 20:11
| Ingrid, I'm not sure if you remember my confusion this spring....I ordered what I thought was the CL and got the tea. The tea is gorgeous and I love it but yes, it is large.. I kept snipping it after each flush and that seemed to keep it in bounds...Mine is in a spot where she can grow. Susan |
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| Thanks for the info, Susan. Mine also has a good bit of room but I just didn't want long, rangy canes in a row of tea rose bushes. I'll follow your example and snip her back after her bloom cycles. I'm glad you think it's gorgeous - that's what matters the most! Ingrid |
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| Jeri, Bill Cartwright, who used to be on our local list, grows several Mlle. de Sombreuil (the "real" one), in his garden down the hill from here. I've emailed him for cuttings, ironically, just the other day as I'm now wrapping them for spring. Here in Encino, it is definitely a climber. It's easily eaten the arbor over his front gate and quite a few feet of his fence. Also ironically, "he who shall remain nameless" used to speak of his "dwarf sport of Sombreuil", which may have been something like the real Mlle. de Sombreuil. It's possible. Remember, he's the one who reintroduced September Morn and kept Grey Pearl going for many years, among other hard to find varieties. Kim |
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| My soil is nothing to write home about and I'm hopeful that will curb its wandering ways somewhat. It's going to be a bush if I have anything to say about it, and I like to think that I'm in charge here. Of course the roses often tell me otherwise...... Ingrid |
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- Posted by cemeteryrose USDA 9/Sunset 14 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 2, 14 at 16:36
| In the Sacramento cemetery, it went through an awkward adolescent phase of sending up long, gangly canes. I wouldn't let anybody cut them off and let the rest of the rose grow up to meet them. It's now one of our most shapely, floriferous, beautiful bushes - a large bush, but not mammoth. Anita |
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- Posted by poorbutroserich (My Page) on Thu, Jan 2, 14 at 18:39
| Kim, do you think my winter chill holds her back a bit? I read somewhere that "trimming" is good for developing business in teas and that's what I've been doing. Alac, mine is on fortuniana and I've really got that graft protected but we are expecting a low of 4 Sunday with highs in the teens for a few days..... Susan |
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| Happy New Year, Susan! Of course a colder, shorter, harsher climate can stunt or dwarf a plant, any kind of plant. Evidence of roses producing smaller plants in more northern, or areas of greater "winter" weather abound. Often, the milder, more even the climate, the larger many will acheive. It could also be a maturity issue. Here, Mlle. de Sombreuil climbs, but still requires the three or so years to generate the roots under it to push the greater top growth. Yes, Fortuniana should help quite a bit, but how much of that extra "oomph" from the stock is negated by the deeper cold? And, of course, should the rose root itself and lose the stock, the Fortuniana (or any other selection) would make for moot points. You might actually have better, faster performance if the rose was budded on multiflora. It would make a very interesting experiment, wouldn't it? Kim |
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| I appreciate your input, Anita. I'll just leave the rose alone and let it be a gangly teenager if that means that it will eventually develop into a large bush with lots of flowers. There's nothing like advice from someone who has grown a rose in a somewhat similar climate long enough to know what it will look like when it's "all grown up". Ingrid |
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