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Help germinating ephedra sinca

seansteezy
10 years ago

I can't really find any thing on google about germinating them. I've been trying to start them in peat pellets like my other plants but they just don't want to germinate. I've read somewhere they like loose sandy soil with good drainage but I'm not sure what size pot to put them in. So any info on growing them like what temp they like, pot size, ect. Will be very much appreciated. Thanks

Comments (13)

  • calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9
    10 years ago

    Growing conditions are not the problem until you are able to effect germination. You need to look into germination inhibitors and how to overcome them. This plant is not in my references except to say they are often started from divisions. Al

  • seansteezy
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Ok I looked up germination inhibitors for E.sinica and most said water soaking and gibbereliic acid was the way to go because these are some stubborn seeds. So I ordered up some GA and they are soaking now in a warm water solution that is 200mL and 150ppm GA. It will be soaking for the next 12 h. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this because the paper that came with the GA says not to soak seeds for more than 12h but the page on E.sinica inhibitors says to soak for 2 days at 150 ppm. So any help would be appreciated.

  • cwren58
    10 years ago

    Hi, new here-- I posted but it is lost or late?

    Anyhow I have instructions for Ephedra sinensis from Horizon Herbs where my husband bought his.
    I didn't start them yet but will be interested in this thread.

    According to Horizon, you don't soak them. You put them in well drained soil (Cactus Mix) and full sun and water only once daily.

    Says they germinate in 1-3 weeks.

    Then transplant to very fast draining soil and provide a 4 inch mulch of coarse, sharp sand or pumice.

    I do not know if Horizon grows their own & is familiar with starting these--but they have a website. www.horizonherbs.com perhaps if you don't find them germinating you can call and ask?

  • seansteezy
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I also bought my seeds from horizon. And am down to my last 25 seeds. I soaked them for 24 hours in gibberellic acid it is a natural growth hormone that helps increase germination and break dormancy. I planted my first 25 In fast well draining soil in direct sunlight about a month ago and nothing has popped up. So I went with GA soaking and a small pot that has high humidity. They have been planted for about three days now so hoping I get at least one to pop. Good luck with yours, keep me posted with your grow:)

  • cwren58
    10 years ago

    Hmm.. that doesn't sound encouraging. :) I've had these seeds about a year, didn't plant them. We also bought some plants which have barely grown--hope this all turns out OK in the end. If I were you though- I'd see about getting some replacement seeds-- I mean if you follow their directions and they don't germinate-- hopefully they stand behind that.
    Best of luck--I'm gonna hold off planting mine til I hear what happens to yours.
    Mary

  • seansteezy
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Ok haha I'll keep you posted, but I will probably get some replacement seeds if they don't pop in the next few weeks. Hopefully I can get some relatively fresh seeds:)

  • caiafa
    10 years ago

    From roughly 30 seeds I got one little Ephedra plant by normal sowing into the same soil I sprouted tomatoes and peppers (garden soil + some peat + sand + perlite), over a heating mat.

    From what I've heard stratification vastly improves germination rates (so stick them 3 weeks in the fridge). Also scarification and soaking might help (use a jar lined on the inside with some sandpaper and tumble them for a while in that), then soak them for 12h.

  • seansteezy
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I am probably going to try the stratification and scarification now but I'm out of seeds my last 25 have been in soil for a week now and I haven't really seen any sign of germination. I am probably going to buy more seeds but was wondering where, I bought my last ones from horizon but I'm not sure how fresh they were. So if any one knows where to get some fresh and viable seeds it would be very much appreciated.

  • Bamfwalrus
    10 years ago

    Kind of surprised that people are having difficulty germinating these, then again we all have different climates and variables acting on seeds... If you are needing to use GA3 or stratify seeds for any results though, you need to find a new seed source. Of the few different Ephedra species I've got, none took more than a week and a half to sprout. Though in my expirence cold stratification definitely pushed the success rate up, it still is nearly 80% for purchased/directly down seeds without any special treatment. Just keep humidity high until sprouts are visible, don't over-water, and make sure the growing medium is highly porous. (So don't use store-bought soil more or less, and get a decent amount of course sand or perlite)

  • cwren58
    10 years ago

    Hi.. what is your seed source? Seems most of the folks here have been using Horizon Herbs.

  • Bamfwalrus
    10 years ago

    I'll probably get scoffed at this, but the most recent seeds I got were E. sinica off of eBay... May be a sketchy source in general, but the seller I got those from sent some very fresh seeds and I don't have an exact number, but there were nearly 20 seeds (bought only 10!) and most germinated. He is based out of Texas, and the listing was like 'e. sinica ma-huang seeds (no ephedrine)', or something like that. Shouldn't be hard to find. Other than those, the other seeds and plants were from semi-local growers and nurseries in N. CA

  • cwren58
    10 years ago

    No scoffing from me. I used to sell my woodland plants on ebay-and they were legit--so why wouldn't someone else be?
    thank you!

  • Elliott Dassow
    8 years ago

    The biggest problem that you are having with germinating epherdra sinica are bad/ dead seeds. I tried germinating the seeds by soaking, freezing, etc. with no luck. Then I purchased some seeds from the ebay vendor out of Texas and success!! The vendor provides basic germination instruction. My secret to germination was to lay the seeds on soil (don't cover with soil) and keep moist by spraying with water using a garden sprayer at least two/three times per day. You really can't over water when germinating the seeds. The other secret is sun and heat. I used a indoor growing light and a heat mat. I had the indoor growing light setup on a timer to illuminate 16 hours per day. I had 90% success with germination. You can also probably get a similar success rate in the summer months outside. Once transplanted outside you must find the sunniest place available. In my case this was the side of my house where the seedling had sun from nearly sun up to sun down. I was having a problem with birds and rabbits eating the seedling so I fenced in the area with chicken wire. This is a real slow growing plant. My plants have been growing for 18 months. I've read that the epherdra sinica plant takes approx. 3 years to fully mature. Good luck.

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