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My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

Posted by lee676 (My Page) on
Fri, May 14, 10 at 3:20

Hi All,

About a month ago I planted some new grass seed to fill in a large area of my yard that had either scant patches of grass or no grass at all (just dirt). It's near Washington DC and it gets reasonably good sunlight. At the recommondation of the nursery I bought from, I used Scott's Turf Builder Sun and Shade Mix, along with Greenview Grass Seed Accelerator pellets and, in some areas, some seeding soil. The ground was rather hardened, but I did my best to rake up the top half-inch or so to loosen it. I then spread the seeds as recommended on the package, and raked it in some. Watered every day for three weeks.

The seed bag says to expect results in 5 to 10 days. It's been twice that long, and all I see are a few stray blades of grass, a few new patches of grass here and there, more new weeds, and mostly, still large patches of dirt.

I'm thinking maybe the soil was too hardened or lacking in nutrients. But even in the areas that got the new topsoil (which I used for levelling the yard), it didn't grow.

Any ideas? Should I try again, and how?

(Note - I'm an utter newb at growing anything, having lived in high-rises for much of my adult life).

Thx.


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

What has the weather been like there and how much did you water. If it's been hot and dry and you just watered enough to wet the surface the seed hasn't had enough moisture to get it going especially in hard clay. The seed has to be kept wet but not so wet that it rots and that means watering several times a day. watch the bare spots and when the soil lightens it needs water again. This need to water is why they say the best time to sow grass seed is in early spring before the weather gets hot or in the fall when it cools down.

I'd say you did everything else right and the water is the reason the seed didn't sprout.

You have 2 choices either use sod or try again. The best time is after a rain when it's going to be cloudy for a couple of days


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

The weather was varied from about 55 to 80F. I gave the ground a good soaking, not just a layer of dampness, stopping short of flooding it though (not sure how to measure how much I watered the lawn). The packaging boasts that the seed can withstand skipping an occasional day of being watered, so I didn't think it would need watering more than once a day.

If I "try again" with new seeds, should I rake the patchy areas and risk hurting the little grass that did grow? Would spreading a layer of new potting soil before seeding help, and how does the new grass react when the roots reach the old, hard soil?

I assumed sod would be significantly more expensive but I'll check out that route too.


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

It sounds like you did everything right. Maybe the seed was old seed. I would complain to the store. They might give you a new bag of seed, or not but it doesn't hurt to try.

If you only have patches to do you might look into bits and pieces of sod. These are the ends that are too small to make it into the rolls. They are quite a bit cheaper than the sod rolls. You can cut the pieces to fit with a utility knife. Water the sod roots and wet the ground well, and butt the edges together tightly.If they do give you new seed then use it to patch.

Any plant has a hard time getting their roots in clay which is why you have to water often to keep the clay soft.

You can help in future years by top dressing the lawn with top soil. You don't want to cover the grass completely just put some around the roots It will wash down and the grass will grow up through it


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

You can't allow grass seed to get dry. It's right on the surface, so it dries out fast.

You also can not water enough to float the seed up off the surface of the ground.

So, a deep watering to get the soil wet down below the surface. Then you seed. Next you cover the seed with a little layer of something to protect it. I use oat straw. You can use screened compost or even dirt, as long as the layer covering the seeds is thin.

Then you water for 5-10 minutes at least twice a day, and more often if the weather is hot and dry. How long depends upon how much water your sprinkler puts out. You can not have any standing water, even for a second, or it floats the seed up off the surface. Also, you want to use a sprinkler that puts out a fine spray, not a stream heavy enough to move the seed.

Many lawn seeds germinate when the nights are cool. But maybe you got a warmer weather variety since it was sold in your area.


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

Can you still see ungerminated seed or has it disappeared? If the latter I'm wondering about birds??? Sparrows or crows can destroy a newly sown lawn. Or is that ridiculous?


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

If you're a beginner and want to try again, there is a product such as lawn patch, which is sort of bluish green thatchy like material that you apply to prepared soil. The grass seed in such products is mixed in with the material, so less chance of drying out or floating away, and nutrients are usually a part of the mix also. Still, keeping the material damp until seed germinates is essential. More than once a day watering(unless you're getting rain each day at another time) is still needed. Good soil prep is important in clay soils particularly. Scott's has a decent product and this approach is good for beginners and for smaller areas. My primary objection to this is I think the color is rather weird looking until seed germinates because it's that bluish green color, and it can be more expensive than normal seed, but still usually less cost and headache than sod. Color of the product until actual germination is not a big deal to some people as to others. Here is a link to other forum answers regarding using lawn patch products.

Good luck--and personally I've always had excellent results with Scott's products, though there are other brands folks seem to like, also.

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Web on lawn patch products and use


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So what should I try now?

flora_uk, I can still see ungerminated seeds

delightedinco, I tried the Scotts EZ Seed too - it sometimes worked, and it's very convenient to use (I like the built-in spreader on the smaller containers - the gardening newbies this product is aimed at are not going to own seed spreaders or roto-tillers, don't know what kind of soil or fertilizer to use, and have no idea what 5 lbs. per 400 feet looks like when spread. But it is so expensive for what you get). I bought it only because Scotts used to have $5-off discounts on it. Pennington has a similar product as part of their Smart Seed line that's a bit cheaper (but not much), although I wonder why they claim much longer germination times than the Scotts product. There's also Scotts Patch Master which is cheaper and I haven't used yet.

I think I'm going to try just regular seed, and watering more often (a real pain here - there's no outside garden hose faucets, so I either need to use big watering buckets or run a hose from an indoor faucet. I have a 50' coiled garden hose with a sink-faucet adapter at one end and a trigger sprayer at the other for that purpose). I have a bag of Vigoro Starter Fertilizer 20-27-5, and have applied quite a bit of new seeding soil (of several varieties depending on location) since the ground is mostly hard clay. I did my best to loosen it with a metal gardening rake before adding a new layer of topsoil.

Any recommendations as to what type of grass I should use? I'm near Washington DC, which means both humid 100F+ in the summer and subfreezing icy winters. The big-box stores around here seem to favor tall fescoe, which is also what the combination seed/mulch/fertilizer products use in this market. I like the bright green color, how fast it grows, and its tolerance for all sorts of bad weather, but not the thin straight grass blades that get matted down like cheap carpeting when walked on. The second most popular here seems to be the generically-labeled "sun and shade mix". The real nurseries have more variety to choose from but also higher prices. I don't want anything that goes dormant or turns yellow or brown in the winter. The side yard is in heavy shade due to closely-spaced houses and lots of old trees, but the backyard (which I'm more concerned about since that's the main socializing area) gets alot of sunlight.

I also hear some people say I shouldn't even try to grow from seed during the hot summer. But I'd like to have a lawn by fall if possible, when I plan to have a new renter. I could plant sod - but it's inconvenient given how thirsty the stuff is when new (given the water situation I mentioned earlier) and hard to transport for someone with a small car and a bad back.

Any ideas?


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

Just a few more ideas that I have used over the years to establish lawns. I know I live in AZ. But out here we have hard clay as well. The best thing to break up that clay is with Gypsum. It comes in a bag like fertilizer. You water it and rake it in it will help loose the top soil enough for seeds to grab the clay. Your watering is a issue as well. You don't want a spray nozzle that will push seeds around. If there is a lot of birds in your area that like the seed. The best thing to do is put down bird seed with it as well. The birds will go after the bird seed instead of the grass seed. I hve done this plenty of times and come across a great lawn.


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

I used the Gypsum clay-breaker in one area, and might get another bag (it's inexpensive). Not many birds here, althought they're always lots of ants all over the new seed and soil.

Should the seed just be placed and left on top, or raked in or even submerged slightly within the soil? I just added some head-resistant seed in some areas yesterday. Trying alot of approaches to see what works best.


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RE: My New Grass Seed Didn't Grow - what did I do wrong?

You do not need to rake it in. I use a leaf rake to evenly spread it around after seading and put a thin layer of manure over it. You do not need to use the manure, if you don't want to. I use it to get nutrients into the soil to further break up the clay.
The ants are not a problem as they just take the seed down to their holes. It will still sprout. If its in area that gets water. If its not in an area that gets water it will not sprout.


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