Return to the Shrubs Forum | Post a Follow-Up

 o
Need good shrub for front of house

Posted by athenainwi z4b/5 WI (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 21, 11 at 12:35

I need something really special for the front of my house right next to the front door. Location is Madison, WI so it's cold in the winter but this is my most sheltered spot. Soil is alkaline, fairly dry as it is next to the roof overhang. Something about 4 feet wide to about 4-6 feet tall would be good. The theme of the bed is burgundy with most plants having either burgundy leaves or flowers. The anchor shrub on the other end of the foundation bed is a purple smokebush. The current resident of this spot is a rose that grew a bit too big this year and started encroaching on the front steps which is a bit dangerous with a rose. I'd like something fragrant that still looks good when out of flower. A shrub would be best as most of the other plants that I've tried take a while to get going in the spring and the spot doesn't look very good for a while.

Would a tree peony work? Klehm's Songsparrow has one called Burgundy Wine that looks good. I was also considering the new reblooming lilac.


Follow-Up Postings:

 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

my one tree peony is considered by me, borderline in my z5 ...

you mention sheltered.. which might be a little microclimate..

but you dont mention which direction the door faces... and the eave...

will there be enough sun for such a big flowered plant ...

the bigger the flower.. the more important that it have proper sunlight ...

ken


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (My Page) on
    Fri, Jan 21, 11 at 13:19

A Korean Spice Viburnum will get you fragrant flowers. A nice burgandy to wine red fall color.

You'd have to seek a dwarf variety like Spice Island.

I also really like Blue Shadow Fothergilla. The blue would pop off the burgandy foilaged plants. They tend to like slightly acidic soil but do good with slightly alkaline as well.

What about a dwarf Japanese maple?

My suggestion for this high profile spot is something unique, very long bloom time or multi-seasonal interest.

IMO, Peonies are overrated. They are great for a couple weeks and then take a digger the rest of the year. So only good in a mixed border application.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

Sorry, forgot to mention the sun situation. This spot has the house to the north of it and the garage to the east. It is open to the south and mostly open to the west (neighbor's house shades it in the late afternoon). It is more sheltered especially from the wind than any other spot in my yard. It gets about 6 hours of sun mostly in the afternoon. I've got other full sun plants around it and they all do well.

I have a tree peony in a corner of the backyard. It's two years old and does well there. It had three blooms last year and was really pretty. But I have no idea what they look like when they get older and whether the foliage stays nice all year. I was thinking spring flowering might be okay since I've got lavender along the path to the door that bloom in the summer that provide a lot of fragrance.

I love Japanese maples, but they're iffy here and my husband doesn't like them. I hadn't considered them for this spot. It would be more sheltered but I don't know that I could get my husband to agree to one there. I've have to think about it.

I'll look up the Viburnum. That does sound like a good idea.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

I did look at the Viburnum and the Fothergilla but both have white flowers and I'm worried that they wouldn't stand out against my house which is white. There is a Viburnum called Spiced Bouquet that has pink flowers but I'm not sure how that would look either.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 2, 11 at 21:16

What color do you want? How important is the bloom? More so than fall color?

Have you considered Hydrangea paniculata? Perhaps the cultivar 'Tickled Pink'.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

How about a shrub rose that behaves itself better than the one you had? Not sure about hardiness though in your zone. Probably the selection is smaller.

I am not familiar with the Hydrangea 'Tickled Pink', but 'Quickfire' is good. Its blooms turn pink pretty quickly.

I got a new-ish Weigela last year that has nice burgundy foliage. It was a good size for a foundation. I can't recall the name of it, but it was one I had never heard of before. weigelas generally leaf out late though so keep that in mind.

One of those dwarf lilacs? only if very disease-resistant though. That would not be a good spot for mildew.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

I'd prefer a dark color, somewhere in the red to blue range. I don't need fall color. I've got some other things going on in that border in the fall so lack of fall color won't hurt it.

Scent is the most important factor. It's going right next to the living room window and right next to the front door. The Bloomerang lilac might be my best choice if the foliage stays decent all year. I am still considering the Spiced Bouquet Viburnum.

Do Hydrangea's or Weigela's have a scent?

I was considering another rose, but the hardy roses are usually scentless and the non-hardy ones take a while to get going in the spring and generally don't form a nice bush shape here in Wisconsin.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

Are lavenders hardy in your area? They can get respectable size in time and the scent is longer lasting than any 2-week flowering shrub. Perhaps you could layer a few of them in front of a more conventional shrub.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 5, 11 at 9:09

For reds...
Take a look at serveral of the Easy Elegance series roses. For example 'My Hero'.

Red Prince Weigela is another option...not sure if the habit works for you.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

I've got lavender along the front walkway right next to where this shrub would be. That's part of why spring flowering would be nice since the lavender doesn't get going until July.

Most of the Easy Elegance roses that I've seen don't have much of a scent. They haven't impressed me much but I'm really a hybrid tea girl.

I do like the Weigela's but I've never smelled anything from them. And leafing out late wouldn't work well in this spot. The smoke bush on the end has the same issue and I'm barely willing to put up with it.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

Is there any chance you can post a picture of the site? indicating what was already planted or planned. I was thinking a large perennial might be an alternative, since "4 feet wide" sounds like it could be the limiting factor. Something like Angelica gigas would be very unusual, but I'm not experienced with it. I have a 'Wine and Roses' weigela, it has an arching vase shape with burgundy foliage and small dark pink trumpet blooms in spring that sounds like you'd like.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house: another choice

Oh I forgot to ask, have you considered the old stand-by Prunus cistena? They've gotten a bad rap, but they're hardy, they smell great, and they take a fair amount of abuse. We had one at the last house that got ran over (someone hit the front porch) and it recovered.

Here is a link that might be useful: Prunus cistena: Purpleleaf Sand Cherry


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

Here's the rose that is in the spot now.

Front rose bush full bush

It made it to the roof by fall (and onto the front step) which is why it has to move. I'll look and see if I can find a picture of the whole border. Unfortunately I can't take pics right now since there's a giant snowdrift there.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

If it gets that tall and if you do like the rose, maybe it would work out if you put a tall trellis there perpendicular to the house and also on the other side of the steps and connect them on the top... a casual sort of portico/arbor. Get another climbing rose for the other side of the steps.

Then just keep the canes on the outer side of the trellis and enjoy it in safety.


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

This will give you all season interest, but alas, no fragrance
WEEPING CARAGANA
caragana \'walkers weeping\' 28may06

or salix "hakura Nashiki" a noninvasive root type with lovely red stems in the winter.
salix \'hakuro nishiki\' 02jun06

or perhaps an ornamental grass
CALAMAGROTIS OVERDAM JUL2009
and then for fragrance add some spring bulbs like hyacinths and later lilies which take minimal space and smell great.
Have fun figuring out what will work best for you.
Flora


 o
RE: Need good shrub for front of house

Thanks everyone. I think I'm going to go with the Spiced Bouquet Viburnum if I can find one locally.


 o Post a Follow-Up

Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum.

    If you are a member, please log in.

    If you aren't yet a member, join now!


Return to the Shrubs Forum

Instructions

  • You must be a registered member and logged in to post messages on our forums.
  • Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review the contents and make changes.
  • After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
  • It is illegal to post copyrighted material without the owner's consent.
  • HTML codes are allowed in the message field only.
  • No advertising is allowed in any of the forums.
  • If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
  • If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.



 
Click here to learn more about in-text links on this page.